View Full Version : It's not Tarzan - it's "Lord of the Jungle"...
Bjarne
09-21-2011, 10:34 AM
DE is not publishing Tarzan - because they have to pay the Borroughs estate, if they use the Tarzan name - instead they're publishing "Lord of the Jungle"...
C'mon DE - if you want to cash in on the Tarzan mythos, pay up and call it Tarzan... :mad:
Bjarne
09-21-2011, 10:38 AM
Oh, I forgot... link to story here: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/21/dynamite-announces-new-tarzan-comic-for-a-dollar-except-they-cant-call-it-tarzan/
MadMikeyD
09-21-2011, 12:08 PM
Well, it's working for John Carter as "Warlord of Mars."
Really, John Carter and Tarzan are both public domain. Both characters turn 100 years old next year. The Burroughs Estate is very good at keeping a tight reign on things with their trademarks on those names. Since they obviously haven't been able to stop DE's John Carter series, I kind of figured a Tarzan series would be following eventually.
Nelson has done a great job adapting Burroughs' John Carter, and I'm sure he'll do a fine job with Tarzan. My only complaint is that I prefer all-ages versions so I can share them with my kids, and DE's versions are not that. Still, I'm glad to see new Tarzan stuff finally being put out by somebody.
GrayPumpkin
09-21-2011, 02:03 PM
I have no problem with this, the character has entered the public domain, Burroughs passed long ago, and his estate has had a nice long run milking that cow.
More concerned about the quality of the stories myself.
MadMikeyD
09-21-2011, 02:18 PM
Well, as with "Warlord of Mars," Dynamite is adapting the original Burroughs work, so we know the source is a great story. Of course, adaptations can be good or bad. I think Arvid Nelson has done a great job with the John Carter material, so I have high hopes for Tarzan.
Ralok
09-21-2011, 05:47 PM
Lord have mercy on Dynamite omics
Chiclo
09-21-2011, 07:28 PM
Lord have mercy on Dynamite omics
I know a few fellows that would argue that the Lord has nothing to do with Dynamite comics.
Comic2read
09-21-2011, 07:37 PM
If he can't be called Tarzan, what is his new name?
Ralok
09-21-2011, 07:49 PM
why not just adapt the story of another jungle savage, instead of crapping alll over the creations of edgar rice burroughs?
I am not even really a fan of tarzan but
it just seems odd that you guys would make this series
please contact angelic pictures and ask them if you can do a pirates of venus prequal comic for their upcoming film
since tehy are making essentialyl a john carter cash in, why not be their marvel!
Make comics to help promote their movie!!!
Captain Canuck
09-21-2011, 07:58 PM
If he can't be called Tarzan, what is his new name?
Nazrat. :D
Ralok
09-21-2011, 08:03 PM
Nazrat. :D
dude that is actually kinda epic
GrayPumpkin
09-21-2011, 08:24 PM
If he can't be called Tarzan, what is his new name?
I believe the character can still be called Tarzan. It is just the series that cannot.
That said, Nazrat is pretty cool.
Chiclo
09-22-2011, 08:29 AM
There may be some trademark issues with the name Nazrat. There was a character named Nazrat published by a few small companies that were acquired/merged with Malibu and Malibu was eventually gobbled up by Marvel.
MadMikeyD
09-22-2011, 11:37 AM
Just like Captain Marvel in "SHAZAM!" and John Carter in "Warlord of Mars." The character can be called Tarzan inside the book, you just can't put the name on the cover.
Nazrat sounds like a great name for a Bizarro-Tarzan.:D
MadMikeyD
09-22-2011, 01:03 PM
I am not even really a fan of tarzan but
it just seems odd that you guys would make this series
please contact angelic pictures and ask them if you can do a pirates of venus prequal comic for their upcoming film
Burroughs' Venus series is entirely under copyright. Anyone doing anything with those characters has to have license from the Burroughs Estate. After "Warlord of Mars" and now "Lord of the Jungle," it's not likely Dynamite would get any license from the Burroughs people. Of course, there are still other non-John Carter, non-Tarzan ERB books in the public domain that they would be free to tackle. Here are the PD Burroughs works I was able to find (I included John Carter and Tarzan just because):
John Carter of Mars series (5 of 11) -
1. A Princess of Mars (1912)
2. The Gods of Mars (1914)
3. The Warlord of Mars (1918)
4. Thuvia, Maid of Mars (1920)
5. The Chessmen of Mars (1922)
Tarzan series (8 of 26) -
1. Tarzan of the Apes (1912)
2. The Return of Tarzan (1913)
3. The Beasts of Tarzan (1914)
4. The Son of Tarzan (1914)
5. Tarzan and the Jewels of Opar (1916)
6. Jungle Tales of Tarzan (1916, 1917)
7. Tarzan the Untamed (1919, 1921)
8. Tarzan the Terrible (1921)
Pellucidar series (2 of 7) -
1. At the Earth's Core (1914)
2. Pellucidar (1915)
Caspak series (3 of 3) -
1. The Land That Time Forgot (1918)
2. The People That Time Forgot (1918)
3. Out of Time’s Abyss (1918)
Mucker series (3 of 3) -
1. The Mucker (1914)
2. The Return of the Mucker (1916)
3. The Oakdale Affair (1917)
Other works-
The Lost Continent (1916)
The Man-Eater (1915)
The Efficiency Expert (1921)
The Girl from Farris's (1916)
Captain Canuck
09-22-2011, 05:45 PM
Nazrat sounds like a great name for a Bizarro-Tarzan.:D
Lol...he'd wear a suit, carry a briefcase and his faithful sidekick would be a chihuahua...
MadMikeyD
09-22-2011, 06:58 PM
Nazrat: Lord of the (Urban) Jungle!:D
MadMikeyD
09-23-2011, 12:00 PM
I'm curious how faithful this adaptation will be, especially at the beginning. Remember, Burroughs took 2 chapters to get John Carter to Mars. Dynamite got him there in issue #3. In the original novel, Tarzan doesn't even get adopted by the apes until chapter 4. Too faithful of an adaptation will give people who want to check out "Lord of the Jungle" #1 for $1.00 an issue with no Tarzan and no jungle.
MadMikeyD
10-28-2011, 11:53 AM
Dynamite released "Warlord of Mars." The Burroughs Estate licensed "official" John Carter adaptations to Marvel. Dynamite announced "Lord of the Jungle." Now comes the announcement that Dark Horse is presenting a new, licensed, "official" adaptation of Tarzan. This time, though, instead of adapting the same story, the Dark Horse book will be an adaptation of the (absolutely NOT public domain) Tarzan/Pellucidar crossover novel "Tarzan at the Earth's Core." It will be written by Martin Powell via Sequential Pulp Comics, where he has worked on other Burroughs adaptations recently.
http://www.newpulpfiction.com/2011/10/martin-powell-takes-tarzan-to-earths.html
positronic
10-29-2011, 02:08 AM
Nelson has done a great job adapting Burroughs' John Carter, and I'm sure he'll do a fine job with Tarzan. My only complaint is that I prefer all-ages versions so I can share them with my kids, and DE's versions are not that. Still, I'm glad to see new Tarzan stuff finally being put out by somebody.
I don't think Burroughs (or Howard) is really for little kids. Pre-teens maybe. But when you try to scrub these things down to squeaky-clean inoffensive-to-all properties, it loses something vital. Like that crappy Conan the Adventurer / Conan and the Young Warriors cartoon series.
Dynamite's WARLORD OF MARS is pretty much as Burroughs wrote it (absent the interjection of original material), near-nudity and all. There's not much sex, but there is a lot of nudity. I remember the squeaky-clean 1950s Dell Comics version by Jesse Marsh -- very bland compared to Burroughs' original stories.
Another example would be the JUNGLE TALES OF TARZAN story, "Tarzan's First Love" about Tarzan's first stirrings of adolescent love (towards a female ape). Not really suitable for children.
Besides that, there's a fair amount of bloody violence (which was just called "adventure" in the first half of the 20th century) in these stories. True, in prose form, you had to imagine it, so it wasn't "graphic violence", but any movie or comic that depicts the stuff that Burroughs described is bound to seem violent by today's mainstream parental standards (although not, perhaps, by the standards that apply in comic books today). There's an awful lot of violent struggle, killing and death.
positronic
11-03-2011, 05:06 AM
Dynamite released "Warlord of Mars." The Burroughs Estate licensed "official" John Carter adaptations to Marvel. Dynamite announced "Lord of the Jungle." Now comes the announcement that Dark Horse is presenting a new, licensed, "official" adaptation of Tarzan. This time, though, instead of adapting the same story, the Dark Horse book will be an adaptation of the (absolutely NOT public domain) Tarzan/Pellucidar crossover novel "Tarzan at the Earth's Core." It will be written by Martin Powell via Sequential Pulp Comics, where he has worked on other Burroughs adaptations recently.
Dark Horse already did a Tarzan vs. Predator At the Earth's Core miniseries, so it won't be the first time (although continuity-wise, I guess it will), Dark Horse has taken Tarzan to the Earth's Core.
Ralok
11-05-2011, 05:37 PM
Dark Horse already did a Tarzan vs. Predator At the Earth's Core miniseries, so it won't be the first time (although continuity-wise, I guess it will), Dark Horse has taken Tarzan to the Earth's Core.
Dark horse has also taken tarzan to venus, and the land that time forgot . . .
There is another Tarzan comic from dark horses, where I believe jane does and he abandons the surface world and goes to pellucidar!
positronic
11-13-2011, 03:20 AM
There is another Tarzan comic from dark horses, where I believe jane does and he abandons the surface world and goes to pellucidar!
That would be Tarzan: The Savage Heart, a 1999 minseries written by Allan Gross and drawn by Mike Grell (there was also a one-issue Dark Horse Presents tie-in to this series by Tom Yeats). It takes place in-between the Burroughs novels' continuity at a period where Tarzan mistakenly believes that Jane has been killed.
It should also be noted that in the 1960s and 1970s, when Russ Manning produced the Tarzan daily and Sunday strips, he occasionally took Tarzan (and Jane and Korak) to Pellucidar.
ChastMastr
11-23-2011, 11:40 PM
I am so looking forward to this new series!! I have not read the Dark Horse series but I enjoyed both the DC and Marvel runs.
Also thinking that a "Lord of the Jungle" forum would be nice here. :)
positronic
11-24-2011, 04:32 AM
why not just adapt the story of another jungle savage, instead of crapping alll over the creations of edgar rice burroughs?
Really? You think Dynamite is "crapping all over" ERB's creations? I guess that would include WARLORD OF MARS, since it's not authorized by ERB, Inc. either. And it's apparent that people don't understand the distinction between copyright and trademark. Sure, Dynamite can't use the word "Tarzan" in a comic book title, because ERB, Inc. has trademarked that name. Just as DC Comics can't use the word "Captain Marvel" in a comic book title, because Marvel Comics has trademarked that name. DC can publish a comic book titled Shazam!, however, and have a character named Captain Marvel be the star of the series. Just as Dynamite can publish a comic book titled Lord of the Jungle, and have a character (whose original copyright is now in the public domain) named Tarzan be the star of that series. No different than they've done in not calling their Mars adaptation John Carter of Mars. "John Carter of Mars" is trademarked by ERB, Inc. (and the book of the same title is still under copyright by ERB, Inc.) but the title Warlord of Mars is in the public domain, as is the copyright to the novel of the same name.
The fact that an adaptation of a public domain Burroughs novel is authorized by ERB, Inc. is no guarantee that it isn't crap, either. One need look no further than Marvel's current adaptation of A Princess of Mars. In my opinion, that adaptation is "crapping all over" ERB's creation, and Marvel is doing so with the blessing of ERB, Inc.
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