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Ralok
09-29-2011, 04:45 AM
okay tenth issue of warlord of mars . . . . I have nothing to complain about . . .

I think it is the best issue that dynamite has put out since issue 2

. . . . awesome work

but I do have one thing I want to just . . .. I am not complaining . . . it is just something we barsoomian scholars go back and fourth on

martian hatchlings . . . . and carthoris

it is often debated how developed a martian child is upon emerging from their egg, and how fast they develop . . .

well the answer . . . is not an easy one . . .

but the implications of the writing of burroughs sort of even it out

carthoris spent five years in the egg, normal barsoomian egg period. First problem is we dont know if this was five Martian years (which are twice as long as earth years) or five earth years (which barsoomian time is almost universally translated into)

but . . . given how things worked until the end of gods . .. . it seems to have been five earth years.

Carter was away for ten, he returned to find his son essentially a young adult but still of a young age.

I would say (personally) that martians emerge from their eggs as 5-6 year old children (match the time spent as an egg), then develop at a normal pace (possibly SLIGHTLY faster than earth-men)

thus carthoris was . . . fifteen in gods of mars . . . at least physically, which matches fairly well with the text .. . or he was twenty if it was five martian years . . . which still matches with the texty

but the specifics of barsoomian reproduction and aging are not really discussed in Burroughs writings (instead he took the time to explain the only marsupial on mars other than the kangaroo men was an unnamed reptile THANKS ED YOU ONLY HAD ELEVEN BOOKS)

believe it or not . . . this is actually the one sore spot I have with Burroughs himself .. . . something that will bother me for a long time (bother me from the time now until I get a timemachine and/or meet burroughs in heaven :p )

Ralok
09-29-2011, 08:23 AM
the point is . .. you guys handled the barsoomian age and reproductive issues as well as could be expected! And the lack of knowledge on the subject didnt hurt the world you were creating.

JohnCarter
09-30-2011, 10:08 PM
All interesting points. I'm not 100% convinced on the art yet but I'll give it a chance.

Ralok
10-01-2011, 01:13 AM
All interesting points. I'm not 100% convinced on the art yet but I'll give it a chance.

it is . . . fairly consistent in design with the issues previous, and there are some interesting environments

really interesting environments

John Carter
10-02-2011, 05:41 PM
Like the other Warlord Of Mars book, I really liked the comic. I also like Sadowski's art. I like the previous interior artist as well, and between the two I don't see a major disconnect in the quality of work and they both have a realistic style so the book feels consistent.

Ralok
10-02-2011, 06:20 PM
Like the other Warlord Of Mars book, I really liked the comic. I also like Sadowski's art. I like the previous interior artist as well, and between the two I don't see a major disconnect in the quality of work and they both have a realistic style so the book feels consistent.

also it is a . .. fairly standalone story

I dont mind when a standaloen story in a series has a different artist

JohnCarter
10-02-2011, 06:34 PM
The artist on issue 14 & 15 is Edgard Salazar (Red Sonja).
http://www.dynamite.net/htmlfiles/search2.html?0=19&next0=&KMPZ=Warlord+of+Mars
Seems like Lui Antonio is not coming back. :( I've seen some of Salazar work online and I think I prefer Sadowsky.

Kloot
10-04-2011, 01:27 AM
The new of art for issue 14 and 15 has made me a very happy man - his art rules!!!

My only gripe is we'd be losing him from Queen Sonja.

transversal
10-04-2011, 02:06 AM
I recently read #10 and I really loveded the plot. I liked the early introduction of Zat Arras, knowing his story line from the books. Also, the Therns...in the books we saw very little described about their activities in the cities on most of Barsoom, so I like this new "revelation".

I found the artwork to be a small step down, but still passable. I'm a bit sensitive to the clothes being worn, as compared to the book descriptions (though Sola was well done). I felt like the unknown assassin was a little Earth-like in his attire. And Dejah Thoris' nightgown was weird. In the first book, remember what Dejah Thoris said when first learning that John Carter was from Earth: ..."Earth men, almost without exception, cover their bodies with strange, unsightly pieces of cloth, and their heads with hideous contraptions the purpose of which we have been unable to conceive;..."

Here's an interesting essay on Barsoomian clothes:
http://www.erbzine.com/mag4/0438.html

transversal
10-04-2011, 02:07 AM
The new of art for issue 14 and 15 has made me a very happy man - his art rules!!!

My only gripe is we'd be losing him from Queen Sonja.

I looked at his work on line. He looks like a winner!

JohnCarter
10-04-2011, 05:54 AM
I recently read #10 and I really loveded the plot. I liked the early introduction of Zat Arras, knowing his story line from the books. Also, the Therns...in the books we saw very little described about their activities in the cities on most of Barsoom, so I like this new "revelation".

I found the artwork to be a small step down, but still passable. I'm a bit sensitive to the clothes being worn, as compared to the book descriptions (though Sola was well done). I felt like the unknown assassin was a little Earth-like in his attire. And Dejah Thoris' nightgown was weird. In the first book, remember what Dejah Thoris said when first learning that John Carter was from Earth: ..."Earth men, almost without exception, cover their bodies with strange, unsightly pieces of cloth, and their heads with hideous contraptions the purpose of which we have been unable to conceive;..."

Here's an interesting essay on Barsoomian clothes:
http://www.erbzine.com/mag4/0438.html

I agree with Transversal. This is not as bad as The Fall of Barsoom and Sadowsky might be following that book designs. But Lui Antonio even had the old caretaker from the atmosphere factory dress in a harness, his faithful design for clothes, environment & characters is sorely missed. I researched old 3D studies and sketches from movie studios that had been done for the John Carter movie attempts online and noticed Lui Antonio adapted some of those designs to his depiction of the creatures; very smart.

JohnCarter
10-05-2011, 08:06 PM
I looked at his work on line. He looks like a winner!

I've seen more of his work
http://theartofedgarsalazar.blogspot.com/
and I need to retract my first impression. Yes, he does looks like a winner. So really looking forward to seeing him in the book.

Ralok
10-17-2011, 04:58 PM
okay, so tars tarkas bursts into Dejah Thoris' room to save her from an assassin

I love this, but it reminded me of something

so I went through my comics, and found that . . . an almost identical thing happens in tarzan/carter warlords of mars second issue last panel D:

and I am pretty sure something similar happened in marvs warlord

its cool, because it makes him feel very protective and definitly part of the family

like carthoris' fifteen foot tall green uncle