This is a good point and a good summation of the "supe formula" so to speak, but I think Ennis went just a little too far with it, and it's really my one big complaint with the series. Annie and Vas notwithstanding, there truly appear to be NO decent people amongst the superhuman community. (And I'm not even sure how much Vas counts, since he's just kind of ridiculous and insane.) There really should've been at least one storyline at some point about a small group of supes who were decent people and disapproved of the excesses of their colleagues and were committed to trying to change things from the inside, and had formed up along those lines. Just one story like that would have added a WORLD of nuance to the overall plot, and the acknowledgment of a (admittedly very small) minority like that would've blunted so much of the legitimate criticism of this "Black Hats vs. White Hats" system we've been reading about in this series. Plus, it would've been interesting to see how Butcher reacted to a group like that. (He's probably too prejudiced to give them any credit; I imagine he'd just consider them childish and unrealistic and still too dangerous to be allowed to exist. Still, it'd be interesting to watch him have to deal with some supes that aren't blatantly deserving monsters so that there'd be a little bit more of an ethical consequence in how he chose to handle them.)
Originally Posted by Simon Rogerson
Portraying 99.999999% of supes as irredeemable crapbags just made it too neat and easy. "Most" would've been okay, but not "all".
Have you read the arc about the group SuperDuper?
Originally Posted by gwiereng
Also I agree that Ennis went too far with the 'great power corrupts' concept. I don't like how the series focused more on the 'taken out of the picture completely' concept rather than watched and controlled. Otherwise, it's pure Ennis!
Im with quiereng on this one Super Duper just wasnt enough good supes in my opinion realistically out of all the thousands there are (I remember Butcher once said there were 200,000 supes) there should be more supes who arent all that bad.
I agree, but then, I've been beating that particular drum since Issue #1. And really, the only reason SuperDooper gets to be "good" is because they're all basically retarded, except for Auntie Sis, who's just a babysitter.
Originally Posted by Dannycat
I guess in fairness though, there were at least a couple members of the G-Men that didn't appear to be completely evil- Cold Snap seemed decent enough, although that might just be because he only got a dozen words in the entire arc. And Tek Knight didn't seem to be a bad guy- his "affliction" was caused by a "tumor the size of your fist", and it would appear that he died saving a woman and baby from falling bricks. He was homophobic, but I'm not sure Ennis sees that as a bad thing, given the shear deluge of homophobia that permeated every page of early issues of The Boys. Even Shoutout didn't really seem to be "evil" other than being gay, which in EnnisVerse is shorthand for "evil". And yes, I know I've kicked this horse to death, but seriously: ever notice that the only gay people allowed to be "good" in EnnisVerse are cartoonishly effeminate, or pre-op transexuals?
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Also I remember Oh father said that only 60% of the supes would be willing to go with Homies plan so perhaps the 40% that didnt participate might be allright but theyll probably euthanized knowing ennis
I wouldn't call them retarded, like Vic the ex veep/prez. They just had powers that they couldn't control properly, like Stool Shadow, or Black Hole.
Originally Posted by Kamakazi
Interestingly, we never learned Auntie Sis's powers...
I always thought she had no powers since she didnt do anything when the heroic Malchemical attempted to stop her and those dastardly children in Super Duper!
Originally Posted by MisterS
Hey guys, first time actually posting although I have to admit I've been stalking for quite some time haha I guess Dynamite finally approved my account -__- anyway did anybody else have complaints towards the final demise of homelander? I mean it was good and all, I was just hoping for a little more than 1 page...also why the hell was McCreas artwork randomly inserted for one page? I felt it took away from that image of blacklander stumbling out with HL's torso...oh well at least we didnt have to endure a whole episode of cardboard cutout hughie crying. Malchemical needs to be resurrected lamplighter style.
Dammit, Boris! It's The Boys we're talking about here! Stop using that "sense" and "facts" nonsense in these forums!!
Originally Posted by Boris
Fair point though... it all goes back to the point about the supes having poor control over their powers.