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    I agree it's pretty weird, and I'd like to see Sonja have a healthy sex life. I'll settle for some cuddling for starters though, just so we know she's not crazy and has something to live for other than fighting. And then, well, maybe some boob play, ha you know let's just see where it goes.

    Ah, you know it's good to just put the ol' perverted thoughts out in the open once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by positronic View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks that Sonja's "vow" is one of the dorkiest rationales ever for having sex with someone? So, if some complete a-hole is able to defeat her in battle, that gives him the right to have sex with her? Completely Darwinian, to be sure, but in a modern context, if someone really respects and cares about Sonja as a person, but he can't kick her ass, then he's out of luck. Yes, an object lesson for the girls and boys of tomorrow everywhere. Also makes me think Sonja must be a full-time nutjob. So Sonja is in effect saying, "the only way you'll take me is by force, so whip it out and let's see who has the bigger sword". Yeah, that'll teach those damn rapists a lesson.
    You're looking at the issue with eyes accustomed to modern attitudes and sensibilities. Sonja's world is not the modern world. A completely different morality holds sway there. I don't find it unrealistic taken in context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psionic_Lemmy View Post
    I agree it's pretty weird, and I'd like to see Sonja have a healthy sex life. I'll settle for some cuddling for starters though, just so we know she's not crazy and has something to live for other than fighting. And then, well, maybe some boob play, ha you know let's just see where it goes.

    Ah, you know it's good to just put the ol' perverted thoughts out in the open once in a while.
    I think perhaps there are more... specialized comics companies putting out the kind of material you're after. And, indeed, online creators. Look up T.Catt...

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    You can't have a topic on things erotic without somebody telling you to look at some porn. I appreciate porn, but that doesn't mean sexuality should be absent from art. We're talking about a comic that's the life story of a sexy battle woman in a bikini. Sure, of course it's about more than sex appeal, but let's not sweep the sexuality under the rug completely.

    Ha, maybe I've just seen too much anime/manga, a little boob touching that's PG-13 stuff I tells ya , this book needs 10% more touching. Not just for the sake of me the reader, but for the sake of Sonja's sanity. She clearly needs a massage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony ingram View Post
    You're looking at the issue with eyes accustomed to modern attitudes and sensibilities. Sonja's world is not the modern world. A completely different morality holds sway there. I don't find it unrealistic taken in context.
    Well, not unrealistic in the sense that since she was raped, she now feels she can't submit to a man's desires unless he overpowers her by force. Realistic maybe, but not particularly mentally and emotionally healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric_trautmann View Post
    True, but for the purposes of this discussion, remember that I rolled back the clock and set my run prior to all that. It hasn't "happened" yet.

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    Which is part of the reason I get the main Red Sonja series and not the Queen Sonja series. I can pretty much assume that "Queen Sonja" and the events surrounding it will never happen in my little universe. (No offense to people who like that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by positronic View Post
    Well, not unrealistic in the sense that since she was raped, she now feels she can't submit to a man's desires unless he overpowers her by force. Realistic maybe, but not particularly mentally and emotionally healthy.
    And part of the whole setup with an actual goddess. Which makes it rather awkward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by positronic View Post
    Well, not unrealistic in the sense that since she was raped, she now feels she can't submit to a man's desires unless he overpowers her by force. Realistic maybe, but not particularly mentally and emotionally healthy.
    She's someone who wanders the countryside in a chain mail bikini hacking people to death with a sword if they look at her the wrong way. I don't think "mentally and emotionally healthy" is meant to be part of her make-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony ingram View Post
    She's someone who wanders the countryside in a chain mail bikini hacking people to death with a sword if they look at her the wrong way. I don't think "mentally and emotionally healthy" is meant to be part of her make-up.
    Well, I would suggest that the "wanders the countryside in a chain mail bikini hacking people to death with a sword if they look at her the wrong way" part is the thing that is contextual to the world she lives in. Can you be mentally and emotionally healthy if you hack people to death with a sword? Maybe, if that is the world you are forced to live in. I personally have never bought into any ideology of the sacredness of life as an absolute objective moral imperative; I've always believed it's contextual to the morality of the society (time and place) you are born into. On the other hand, I don't think the context of the situation/world is excuse enough for saying that the sexual dynamics of Sonja's particular vow are forced upon her by external forces in her world. It's a choice she makes (certainly not necessary for her survival, in fact if anything it is probably anti-survival -- in effect it makes her a sexual object gunslinger whose choice invites deadly challengers). Or is it just a way for her to gain a certain satisfaction by humiliating/emasculating men? She doesn't have to wear a chain mail bikini either, but in doing so in combination with her vow she is saying "You want this? Well, try and take it if you can." Since she would seem to have plenty of opportunities for healthy relationships (and admittedly, unhealthy ones as well) if it were not for her vow, by my reckoning it makes her less of an admirable character, less heroic, and more pitiable. And it certainly doesn't invite the right sort of relationship material, as any man willing to first beat the crap out of her for the right of sexual conquest would have extremely suspect motivation.

    All right, I hear you saying, it's just a comic book character, you are way over-analyzing this... and to tell you the truth, I never have spent much time thinking about it until this conversation came up. But there it is.
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    Ihear what you're saying, and to an extent I agree, but surely what makes Sonja heroic and admirable is the fact that she generally fights to defend the weak and helpless from those who would prey on them, which is in itself a totally separate consideration from any personal character flaws or sexual hangups she might have. One does not have to be 100% likeable or well adjusted in order to be a hero.

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