I've only read a little bit of old Red Sonja, no real opinion there. But sure I do like some Vampirella more than the current stuff, I enjoyed what Amanda Conner was on etc. Though I wouldn't need to like previous runs to have complaints with these current series. Ha anyways, why so many questions?
Let me put it another way--I'm not at all a fan of Ennis' The Boys series. If there was more classic-style super-heroism in it, I'd probably like it better. But I wouldn't go and suggest that Ennis write it differently to suit me when it's a series that has its own essence, specific direction, and array of fans.
I dislike most of DC's current "New 52" universe. But part of that is because I'm a fan of the characters going way back, and I can say that I believe that the current version is (in my view) a travesty compared with who the characters traditionally have been, who they were intended to be, and so on. I can complain that Hal Jordan shouldn't be a jerk because he hasn't been a jerk in the decades he's been around. It would be weird if I complained that Guy Gardner shouldn't be a jerk.
In the same way, one can say that Red Sonja has been done a certain way over the decades, and largely consistently, and she has her array of fans going all the way back to the 1970s. It might be one thing to say that the essence of the character or her world has changed for the worse or the better (one reason I didn't care for the whole Queen Sonja concept is that it made changes I found ill-fitting for the character and her world)--it's another entirely to say that one hasn't really cared for the character in any of her previous incarnations, nor for the current version, but that the writers and artists should make her into something else because it would be more pleasing to oneself.
And the main point of the topic wasn't about having Sonja have sex, that's another topic, its about more overt sexuality, among other things.
There are plenty of Sonja or Vampirella fans in this topic who agree too. I'll let them continue it, ha I think I've elaborated enough for now.
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I can agree with Lemmy in the sense that I am attracted to the covers of a lot of Dynamite's female characters, where they are portrayed sexily. In fact that image of the character is what attracts me to the character most, and I lose interest when the character's natural attributes (and dare I say, from my point of view, entire raison d'etre) are downplayed in the actual comic story in favor of a more straightforward 'serious' adventure approach. I would be more likely to read books like Red Sonja and Vampirella if there were a titillation element present, and a slightly more lighthearted fun approach to the characters, at least on frequent occasions. As it is, there's little to differentiate these characters from the sort of female protagonists in Marvel and DC comics, and in fact from a "good girl art" aspect, the artwork in these books is generally inferior to what you'd find in a Marvel or DC comic. The characterization and specific background details of these characters, whether consistent or not with previous versions, is much less important to me than it is in the case of most long-running Marvel and DC characters. I would except Dejah Thoris from that rule, since it is adapting ERB's character and I don't think it should stray far from the original.
DE pull list: Bionic Man, Bionic Man vs. Bionic Woman, Bionic Woman, Dark Shadows, Dark Shadows Year One, Lone Ranger, Lord of the Jungle, Mark Waid's Green Hornet, Masks, Miss Fury, Peter Cannon Thunderbolt, Red Team, Sherlock Holmes, The Shadow, The Shadow Year One, The Shadow & Green Hornet: Dark Nights, The Spider, Uncanny, Vampirella Archives, Warlord of Mars, Warlord of Mars: Dejah Thoris.
I suppose I'll just have to be the person who disagrees, then. I stand by what I've said. Not sure what there is to add, really.
Oh, but I have something to add
You can easily make a comic where the plot consists of nothing but random superheroes pointlessly kicking the shit out of each other. 99% of the golden age were basically this winner formula, and it NEVER got boring
Nothing but random superheroines showing their assets doesn't work that way, unless it's outright porn.
(In that case you usually no longer complain about a lack of plot. )
Also, it might have even an overall negative effect on the sales. (Frankly, Vampirella isn't my
favorite heroine because she runs around half-naked. I was fascinated by her personality even long
before I grew hairs down below )
(Frankly, Vampirella isn't my favorite heroine because she runs around half-naked. I was fascinated by her personality even long
before I grew hairs down below )[/QUOTE]
This may be the funniest quote I have ever read on this forum!
Pull list: Warlord of Mars, Red Sonja Graphic Novels