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  • Vampirella #6

    Thank Lilith this is over.

    I want to highlight again that the writer direly should visit TVTropes
    for a bit of enlightment. Take the baddie at the end. Baddie?
    Srsly. Anything with >2 eyes and >0 tentacles is a baddie by
    definition. Q.E.D. (Compare, just for example, von Kreist. What game
    he played with the Mafia boss. Now that's a baddie we love to
    hate! Even if he's from Harris ) Coda, don't say it,
    show it, and elaborate on the motivations of the characters.
    No "The same thing as every day, we try to attain world domination".

    The real Vampirella is spottable even in a formal dress.

  • #2
    Unless we are getting a new writer, who says it's over? Don't thank Lilith prematurely.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shokoshu View Post
      Thank Lilith this is over.

      I want to highlight again that the writer direly should visit TVTropes
      for a bit of enlightment.

      In regards to TV tropes, I presume you mean tropes like this one?

      Sure. As soon as you visit WikiHow to learn some basic manners. Not that this board has ever been particularly pleasant -- beginning with someone calling me HITLER over a pair of pants, before the book was actually released -- but if you expect or desire me to pay any attention to your opinion AT ALL, you might consider not being consistently and aggressively rude from behind your protective cloak of anonymity.

      Until then, I'll content myself with broadening the audience beyond the handful of you that want things exactly the way it was before -- when the title failed, repeatedly -- and critical and commercial success.

      Apologies to others for my lack of tolerance, but there's a point where defending my work would seem to be justified and I'm quite frankly well past it now with "Shokoshu."

      -E

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      • #4
        Oh boy, you wouldn't like me when I'm getting *really* impolite.
        Yes, I *do* am a know-it-all, but unluckily Dynamite won't hire me
        as a writer in the future and any conjecture that I could do it better
        remains forever unproven. I also concede that writing a comic is
        different from writing a story. Oh, and I haven't yet found how to
        enter my real name into my profile, it's Hauke Reddmann. Doesn't
        change, though, that there is no polite way to tell you that your
        characters lack depth.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shokoshu View Post
          Oh boy, you wouldn't like me when I'm getting *really* impolite.
          Yes, I *do* am a know-it-all, but unluckily Dynamite won't hire me
          as a writer in the future and any conjecture that I could do it better
          remains forever unproven. I also concede that writing a comic is
          different from writing a story. Oh, and I haven't yet found how to
          enter my real name into my profile, it's Hauke Reddmann. Doesn't
          change, though, that there is no polite way to tell you that your
          characters lack depth.
          "Oh boy, you wouldn't like me when I'm getting *really* impolite."

          So, it's perfectly okay that you behave badly, because you could always behave even more poorly?

          That's adorable.



          Your chances of being hired as a writer vastly improve when you don't write sentences like "Yes, I *do* am a know-it-all [SIC]" or suggesting that comics aren't stories, which is possibly the most absurd comment I've seen of late.

          So, this notion that being hired by a publisher is all down to luck is arrant nonsense. It isn't a lack of luck, Hauke; it's, among other things, a lack of demonstrated ability. Have you sent Dynamite's editorial a query on their submission policies? If you have, have you followed them? Have you written pitches and submitted them? Are those pitches professional and worthy of pursuit by a publisher?

          I'd be willing to bet the answer is "no." Publishers don't magically fall from the heavens and award contracts. You have to actually do the work.

          There isn't some big conspiracy or lack of fortune that prevents you from being a writer. It's the fact that, if you haven't attempted what I outline above, you aren't a writer. And that's not my fault.

          If you really want to be a writer, the only thing standing in your way is you, particularly in this day and age of available and cheap web space, print-on-demand, and other tools I would've killed for when I started out.

          Want to write for Dynamite, or indeed any other company? Your chances improve by actually making something that demonstrates you have ability -- not only technical and creative ability, but also the ability to actually finish something, which is a surprisingly rare skill.

          It's not a guarantee, but it certainly helps, considerably.*

          "Doesn't
          change, though, that there is no polite way to tell you that your
          characters lack depth."

          Uh, the way you elected to here is considerably less rude than your prior attempts. Congratulations. Were I inclined to offer constructive criticism about lack of character depth in a series I was reading, I might indeed try something like: "I wish there was more depth to the characters," for example, as opposed to what has been, essentially, "You suck and I'm better!"

          Being the biggest jerk in the room may get you the attention you crave, but it's probably not going to be positive attention.

          Because, that's how writing and language actually work. You've claimed to be a better writer, and then outlined your fundamental inability to express your position using, y'know, words.

          Which is hilarious.

          Apropos of this discussion, I'd refer you to Harlan Ellison:

          "Everybody has opinions: I have them, you have them. And we are all told from the moment we open our eyes, that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Well, that’s horsepuckey, of course. We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing... It’s like a fart in a wind tunnel, folks."

          Of course, petulant, entitled fanboys being petulant, entitled fanboys, I can safely assume none of this will register (because obviously, your opinion is, in your estimation, ironclad fact, and the thousands of people that actually enjoy my work are simply "wrong").

          More's the pity.

          I've known for too many years that one should never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes one's time and annoys the pig. Of course, there's also a longstanding literary tradition of tilting at windmills, I suppose.

          (And cue the outrage at how "mean" I am for "picking on a fan" in 3... 2...)

          Sigh.


          -E

          * See? That's what constructive criticism looks like.
          Last edited by eric_trautmann; 06-15-2011, 06:29 PM.

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          • #6
            AHAHAHAHAAA...

            And as if summoned by magic.

            http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=32813

            -E

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            • #7
              Originally posted by shokoshu View Post
              Thank Lilith this is over.

              I want to highlight again that the writer direly should visit TVTropes
              for a bit of enlightment. Take the baddie at the end. Baddie?
              Srsly. Anything with >2 eyes and >0 tentacles is a baddie by
              definition. Q.E.D. (Compare, just for example, von Kreist. What game
              he played with the Mafia boss. Now that's a baddie we love to
              hate! Even if he's from Harris ) Coda, don't say it,
              show it, and elaborate on the motivations of the characters.
              No "The same thing as every day, we try to attain world domination".

              The real Vampirella is spottable even in a formal dress.
              It sounds to me like you are looking for tentacle porn. There is plenty of tentacle porn on the internet. There's a reason I didn't buy Vampirella before Dynamite picked it up - I don't read softcore. I am sorry that the character has to be destroyed in your opinion to become readable and interesting in mine.

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              • #8
                There is nothing wrong with Vampirella from Dynamite Entertainment more so than there is something wrong with close minded fans who want the same ol' same ol' in their comics without any evolution. I love Vampirella as she is now but in 20 years I won't want Vampirella as she is now, I'll have wanted her to evolve and mature as a character, that's exactly what Dynamite and Eric have done with her and it's pretty darn fun.
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                • #9
                  What I find interesting about the hardcore Vampirella fans being upset by the new book is the idea that hardcore Vampirella fans exist. Seriously. In 30 years of hanging out in comic shops and at conventions, I've never met one.

                  I'll tell you who I have met, though. Many fans (myself included) who are buying the current book because Eric Trautmann is writing it.

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                  • #10
                    I have no beef with Dynamite. The Vampirella Archives have been a blast and Vampirella and the Scarlet Legion, though only one issue in, is looking to be just what I was hoping for in this relaunch. Iím also thrilled with Kirby Genesis. So yeah, Dynamite is getting my money. Just not for the regular Vampirella book. Not because this book was so different and daring. Letís face it most of differences were cosmetic at best, but rather, because after giving it four issues, I found it to be just more of the same of bland story telling we got in the Harris era, you know, back when the book failed and again and again.

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                    • #11
                      Vampirella from Dynamite is sure doing well in sales, last month it was within the top 115 books (out of 300) in sales, which is excellent for a non-Marvel/DC company who publish almost 300 books between two. Vampirella is a success with DE and I hope to see the title maintain it's high readership throughout it's (hopefully) long life.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by comixfan1980 View Post
                        Vampirella from Dynamite is sure doing well in sales, last month it was within the top 115 books (out of 300) in sales, which is excellent for a non-Marvel/DC company who publish almost 300 books between two. Vampirella is a success with DE and I hope to see the title maintain it's high readership throughout it's (hopefully) long life.
                        Of course it was 87th back in May. Granted that is the norm with many books that bank on the name recognition of an established character, big sales early on then a trickling down until the book finds its audience or doesn't. So I'd say the jury is still out on that.
                        It success or lack of it aside, it is certainty a book that has failed to connect with me. I'm just glad Dynamite is offering alternatives, Scarlet Legion, as mentioned, has managed to capture my interest despite my disappointment with the main title.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GrayPumpkin View Post
                          It success or lack of it aside, it is certainty a book that has failed to connect with me. I'm just glad Dynamite is offering alternatives, Scarlet Legion, as mentioned, has managed to capture my interest despite my disappointment with the main title.
                          And that's a fair comment; it's unfortunate the book didn't connect with you, but obviously, the old saw about "you can't please everyone" certainly applies.

                          A certain amount of the first story arc was necessitated by the editorial requirements of the publisher; there were specific beats that they wanted, and simply for the kind of story being told, it necessitated a certain kind of narrative style.

                          Now that we're through the "re-establishing" of the character phase, I plan to widen the scope a bit, and deal a bit more with some of Vampi's human relationships as well.

                          Your own mileage may vary, but after issue 7 -- a done-in-one "epilogue" of sorts focusing on Sofia and why she "belongs" (for lack of a better term) in Vampi's immediate circle, the three-issue story beginning in 8 is quite a bit different than the more psychological/investigative structure of Crown of Worms. You may want to give it a look (or, y'know, not).

                          In any event, thanks for your comments and I'm pleased there's a Vampirella book out there you do connect with.

                          Best,

                          -E

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                          • #14
                            I'm pretty pleased with the book so far. It took a character that I cared nothing about and made her interesting and fun. Personally, I'm glad we ditched the costume, it's ludicrous.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eric_trautmann View Post
                              Your own mileage may vary, but after issue 7 -- a done-in-one "epilogue" of sorts focusing on Sofia and why she "belongs" (for lack of a better term) in Vampi's immediate circle, the three-issue story beginning in 8 is quite a bit different than the more psychological/investigative structure of Crown of Worms. You may want to give it a look (or, y'know, not).

                              In any event, thanks for your comments and I'm pleased there's a Vampirella book out there you do connect with.

                              Best,

                              -E
                              I might at that, I have to admit that the ad in Kirby Genesis for Vamiperilla 10, sounded like a fun idea. Weird that they are pushing issue 10 when the story starts on issue 8, though it is a striking cover.

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