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  • #46
    Originally posted by ambaxtoxin View Post
    EXTENDED preview for #65, which reveals...

    http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/...e-books-today/

    ... that we were right about Black Noir. Surprise, surprise.
    Still doesn't make much sense- if BN is the Anti-Homie, then who's the Anti-BN? WHO WATCHES THE WATCHMEN!?!

    ...oh shit. It suddenly makes so much sense now. Black Noir takes off the mask, revealing ANOTHER mask....

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    • #47
      Is it just me, or this issue felt like a very quick read? Ennis comics usually take me a while to finish :/

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      • #48
        My respectful advice to anyone who hates the logistics of the reveal but earlier was hoping for it-

        STFU.

        Kidding. But I explained why it would be hard to make it work in this very thread. I said "How could Vought not know the two are identical and just assumed it was HL in those pics?"

        So Vought knew all along that the two are identical (someone at VA had to have, even if it wasn't in his file)and just immediately assumed it was HL in the pics? The living weapon whose only purpose was to kill the HOmelander had no failsafes on him?

        A user on SomethingAwful put it thusly:

        "Unspoiling this, just because that's been the theme since the start. Ennis has always written about war profiteers and corporate corruption being the REAL parasites in the world. Vought is incredibly rich and powerful, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make incredibly stupid decisions out of arrogance and lack of empathy towards...anyone, really. Even in a world of flying superheroes, corrupt corporations still wield all the real power, even if they shouldn't.

        We're shown this constantly: WW2, the poisoned workers in the '80s, 9/11, etc. This is really just the climax of a century of corporate misfeasance: we'll do anything to make a profit, up to potentially threatening the American government's stability.

        Now, given that BN is willing to happily obey orders and get flying lessons and such, it seems likely that he has always deliberately stayed out of the limelight and made himself out to be the good soldier. Which is what VA wanted from the start, so it fits their arrogance that they'd not triplecheck to see if he's faking the obedience."

        I guess I can buy it; there was never any reason VA got their shit completely together in recent years; its still run by proteges of the proteges, etc of Ia Drang, that crappy fighter plane, and so on. As cold as Stilwell is, he should have been running the joint; he would have done something to make sure Black Noir wasn't their only hope.

        That said, I enjoyed the issue. Like I have said before- Ennis writes about massive conspiracies. I don't believe in them. But as a skeptic, I can still enjoy a comic where, say, Bigfoot is real- I just have to swallow it, and sometimes its a little harder to make it go down. But if done well, it gets down my metaphorical gullet soon enough.

        And you gotta love: "Yeah, that's right, dude. I'm like, English."

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        • #49
          ***Spoilers***
          The reveal is awkward for one reason- the dramatic need to put Butcher in the White House unaware of BN's origin. I can buy Stilwell not knowing the story before the CEO's death (and presumably learning it after). I can buy BN working the shadow acts to initiate the final showdown- the photos, the Jack from Jupiter framing, the killing of Terror. The big, gaping hole is why BN, spoiling for his kill order, didn't turn the HL in when he first briefed the other supes on what they were going to do. Presumably he would have been given the order then.

          Unless you go with the "He's crazy and irrational when the plot demands it" (just slightly better than "the Idiot Plot") explanation.

          That said, I enjoyed the issue. I'm disappointed to see the A-10s fire missiles and not blast the supes with the 30mm (over an inch in diameter! for my US friends) depleted uranium rounds. Butcher survived, and Ennis did a good job of showing he didn't expect to (and preparing us for him not to, although I think he would have lasted longer than Maeve and even got a shot in). I enjoyed the art details, like BN knocking HL's jaw clean off while getting his shoulder blasted.

          What's next? I think Butcher visits Mallory to find out just why the Boys were called off before, what Stilwell is up to, why HL wasn't taken down after the airplane crash, etc. Mallory may or may not be alive.

          I imagine Annie will have to be captured, as a surviving member of the Seven, for questioning.

          Of course, I'm eagerly awaiting Kamakazi's recap, and wondering why Frenchie couldn't have accompanied Butcher instead of Hughie. What that final scene needed was "Sacre Bleu! Zut! Alors!"
          Last edited by statsman; 04-04-2012, 05:41 PM.

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          • #50
            Kamakazi--caught your reply, I concur wholeheartedly sir. Danke!

            I need to re-read, didn't realize that Stormfront was HL's dad. I thought it was just "Stormfront was the first supe" and then "Vought took notes, got a dumb volunteer consenting to V shot into her." Sure it pieces out, but I didn't take that away from it. I thought it was more "We had this guy, saw the results, decided to try earlier."

            Annie's on the preview for the next issue. Deep isn't. I don't think that clown is about to do anything other than get the hell out of dodge--I cannot see the Deep going bonkers. I hope to see a funny arrest though.

            Noir's revelation made sense as soon as MM was putting it into words. My bet was zombie. Yeah if we want to get into the knit pit logistics, how the hell could Vought not catch on? But maybe he had a bullshit alabi, OR in all honesty, maybe they just thought he was a dumb freaking idiot. Fishy? Sure. But did it all work out? I'm not arguing against it. I thought it was insane. Honestly I was expecting black hair, but screw it, still a fucking enjoyable read. I appreciated 30 pages of it.

            I haven't speed-read a book like this in a long time. I'm proud of Garth and Russ and John for what they put on paper. This was everything I hoped for.

            Next stop--the wee cunts on the message boards, aye!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by saidestroyer View Post
              Is it just me, or this issue felt like a very quick read? Ennis comics usually take me a while to finish :/
              Well, in all fairness, you'd probably already read half of it in the various Previews.

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              • #52
                I think the issue was a good read, and I liked the reveal.... I particularly liked Butcher getting his "revenge moment"... After the shock of realizing he was chasing the wrong man all these years, at least he was able to finish off the correct rapist...

                I would have preferred BN to be a "brain altered" clone... One that had obviously been lobotomized or had some electronic failsafe installed that would account for his loyalty to Vought all these years (and would account better for Maeve's reactions to him) How about having BN be BALD, at least? (He could have donned a wig and makeup as easily as HL's costume, right?)

                Then I MIGHT for a second believe that no one at Vought EVER suspected it could be BN in a HL costume in the infamous photos... To me, it's as ridiculous as the "Clark Kent can't be Superman because Kent wears GLASSES" argument...

                Anyway, I'm interested to see what comes next..... Stillwell, LOOKOUT! Butcher is coming for you...

                And will we EVER find out about the Legend's feet and get a current look at MM's Momma?

                Here, I'll tie up some loose ends, since the plot will shift away from the surviving minor characters...

                The Deep will open a fried chicken franchise "Deep's DEEP FRIED Chicken, Catfish & Waffles"...

                Starlight will replace Janine in the porn business...

                After hunting down and eliminating rogue supes under a new government contract, Frenchie and the Female will take their newfound wealth and open a wildlife preserve for the most dangerous creatures on the planet...

                Hughie will remain a blue-poopin putz who sits in his apartment all day muttering to Jaime the hampster about gay "good soldier" aliens and wondering who keeps depositing bloody jizz outside his door...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Hot_Ch0c0 View Post
                  Here, I'll tie up some loose ends, since the plot will shift away from the surviving minor characters...

                  The Deep will open a fried chicken franchise "Deep's DEEP FRIED Chicken, Catfish & Waffles"...

                  Starlight will replace Janine in the porn business...

                  After hunting down and eliminating rogue supes under a new government contract, Frenchie and the Female will take their newfound wealth and open a wildlife preserve for the most dangerous creatures on the planet...

                  Hughie will remain a blue-poopin putz who sits in his apartment all day muttering to Jaime the hampster about gay "good soldier" aliens and wondering who keeps depositing bloody jizz outside his door...
                  Here are a few more:

                  SuperDuper by default becomes the premiere superteam. Due to immediate fame, fortune, etc, they become just as corrupt as the Seven...


                  Laddio returns Tek Knights lair, having failed in his quest to learn from the masters (he would arrive at their headquarters after they were all destroyed)

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                  • #54
                    The last few issues have given us some of the greatest super"hero" fights ever. First we see HL (Superman) knock QM's (Wonder Woman's) block clean off. Then we see HL and BN (Captain Marvel?) square off. If you felt sorry for Maeve's decapitation (as well as that of the Team Titanic's Rabbi Zatara, and A-Train's), you now know they got off easy, in that they weren't disemboweled first. From here on out, whenever the Thing fights the Hulk, I will always wonder why a jaw doesn't come flying off.

                    I saw a review that was critical of the issue for applying juvenile humor to a serious situation. I think that guy completely misses the point. This series began, openly, as an Ennis diatribe against brightly costumed super heroes. In the opening scene, a character is inroduced only to be splatted Roadrunner-Coyote style. It took a serious turn a few times, but it is completely fitting that it end with a dumb HL fighting a dumber BN in the Oval Office.

                    I hope Ennis keeps the farcical tone up through the last arc, as Butcher confronts Stilwell. It's possible. It is not atypical that a corporate decision-making process could determine that the proper response to an unstable super-powered creature was a psychopathic even-more-super-powered creature, and that is a ripe area for mocking.

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