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    New Red Sonja Writer

    Okay, so now Gail Simone is coming to the end of her run, who should be next?

    My thoughts is get Eric Trautmann back. Have a writer not just for a gimmick (I somehow could escape this was the reasoning behind a female writer for RS - to get new female fans, and almost exclusively phase out the chain mail bikini). Now that box is ticked, maybe we can get back to some good old school RS. We've missed her.

    I liked the run, but I am dying to get back to Sonja of old.

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    Originally posted by Ajax View Post
    That means drunken slut. We've been through this already, Dorothy. You don't want to look behind the curtain at the egregiously bad writer.
    Let's not get weirdly and inappropriately personal, thank you. ("Dorothy"? Really?) We may disagree about the quality of her work, but having read Simone for years, I'm pretty sure I have a fair understanding of what that work actually is.

    Originally posted by CaptHowdy666 View Post
    As much as I'd rather not expand on this conversation, I just read the reference material and in no way does it even insinuate such an idea.
    Thank you.

    Originally posted by CaptHowdy666 View Post
    I wouldn't have thought twice if Conan thought he was too stinky to sleep with the closest bar wench.
    Bingo. Equal opportunity, especially for a character who doesn't take crap from anyone.

    Originally posted by Ajax View Post
    drunken slut was Simone's description.
    No, it wasn't--the word "slut" is only used by an incredibly evil character (which makes it appropriate for the character, I suppose), and not by the omniscient narrator nor by Simone in interviews, unless I've missed it somewhere.

    Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming

    Originally posted by Ajax View Post
    Get Vulture's Circle where Collins introduces a lover for Sonja through characterization rather than Simone's ham-handed 'Sonja wants snu-snu!' way. Honestly, that one issue had more character development for Sonja and her surrounding cast than Simone's entire run.
    Which, the Gentle Reader may note from the solciits, stars an "older, battle-scarred Red Sonja, who has exchanged the life of a mercenary for running a school for sword-maidens." Same character at different points in her life--Simone's is at the age where "Sonja wants snu-snu" is more of a driving force, and without the probable life lessons she'll get over time.

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    Originally posted by CaptHowdy666 View Post
    This one, I do remember from the first arc surprising me as I found it a little jarring and out of place as well. So I guess I agree with you if this quote is being thrown in the mix.

    When I reflected on itthough, I suppose I just eventually shrugged and figured good for Sonja, getting all empowered in this day and age I suppose. I wouldn't have thought twice if Conan thought he was too stinky to sleep with the closest bar wench.

    Though for years I have found the ol' best me in battle and I am yours line dated and needing to be removed for a while now. I've never, ever liked that bit.
    Get Vulture's Circle where Collins introduces a lover for Sonja through characterization rather than Simone's ham-handed 'Sonja wants snu-snu!' way. Honestly, that one issue had more character development for Sonja and her surrounding cast than Simone's entire run.

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    Originally posted by Ajax View Post
    Simone's much belabored joke about Sonja wanting to get laid.
    This one, I do remember from the first arc surprising me as I found it a little jarring and out of place as well. So I guess I agree with you if this quote is being thrown in the mix.

    When I reflected on itthough, I suppose I just eventually shrugged and figured good for Sonja, getting all empowered in this day and age I suppose. I wouldn't have thought twice if Conan thought he was too stinky to sleep with the closest bar wench.

    Though for years I have found the ol' best me in battle and I am yours line dated and needing to be removed for a while now. I've never, ever liked that bit.

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    Originally posted by CaptHowdy666 View Post
    As much as I'd rather not expand on this conversation, I just read the reference material and in no way does it even insinuate such an idea. Merging the baddie's insult of her with being described as a 'carouser' " Definition: To drink large amounts of alcohol, especially in boisterous merrymaking (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Carouser)" , 'drinker' "Definition: see carouser', or 'hunter' (hope I don't need to explain that one) is really reaching and implying one's own opinion that people that drink are sluts. That opinion is far fetched. D&D is satanic I hear . Let's move on.
    And, wanton and crude, which taken with the backdrop of the last arc and Simone's much belabored joke about Sonja wanting to get laid through the whole thing but couldn't due to her stench, the villains own usage, and the subsequent narrative description, drunken slut is what you get for Simone's description. Your appeals to authority not withstanding, drunken slut was Simone's description. Take it up with her.

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    Originally posted by Ajax View Post
    That means drunken slut. We've been through this already, Dorothy. You don't want to look behind the curtain at the egregiously bad writer.

    As much as I'd rather not expand on this conversation, I just read the reference material and in no way does it even insinuate such an idea. Merging the baddie's insult of her with being described as a 'carouser' " Definition: To drink large amounts of alcohol, especially in boisterous merrymaking (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Carouser)" , 'drinker' "Definition: see carouser', or 'hunter' (hope I don't need to explain that one) is really reaching and implying one's own opinion that people that drink are sluts. That opinion is far fetched. D&D is satanic I hear . Let's move on.

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    Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
    Um... in issue #14, we see her described as "a stinking slut of a swordswoman" by an inhumanly evil wizard who's just force-fed an entire tavern of people horrific lamprey-like worms with teeth.

    Then, the narration says about her, "Sonja is many things. [B]She is a carouser. She is a drinker of all manner of spirits. She is wanton, and she is crude at times[/B]. But above all. Sonja is a HUNTER." And then it goes on a bit about her doing some hunting.
    That means drunken slut. We've been through this already, Dorothy. You don't want to look behind the curtain at the egregiously bad writer.

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    Originally posted by Ajax View Post
    Yes, she did, right in her description of Sonja on the page.
    Um... in issue #14, we see her described as "a stinking slut of a swordswoman" by an inhumanly evil wizard who's just force-fed an entire tavern of people horrific lamprey-like worms with teeth.

    Then, the narration says about her, "Sonja is many things. She is a carouser. She is a drinker of all manner of spirits. She is wanton, and she is crude at times. But above all. Sonja is a HUNTER." And then it goes on a bit about her doing some hunting.

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    The problem I have with the current series of Red Sonja, is the simple retconning out of existence of the oath. So they want to get away from the whole 'If Sonja gets beaten in a fight it means she will be raped' argument then fine, but it could have been handled better than it has been.

    1. Don't mention it, it was never a factor in the original appearance of Red, so could be just ignored.

    2. She can lay with whoever she wants, but just has high standards having sworn an oath to not love anyone not worthy of her....this being worthy of her could mean any number of things, not just who can knock her on her arse.

    But instead, they threw the oath out of the window because they were worried about backlash about rape and what not, fine, not a problem, but in its place we now have a grumpy stinking slut who mentions in nearly every other page she appears in that she wants someone between her legs, even going so far as proposing such to two cannibals.... And everyone seems to think this is the best comic version of Sonja going?

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    Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
    Did Simone (excellent writer as she is) actually use the words "drunken slut," or were they in the mouth of a bad-guy or jerkish character talking about her? Context makes a lot of difference there.
    Yes, she did, right in her description of Sonja on the page.

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    Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
    We can agree more on that, then.
    I expect we agree on nothing.

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    Originally posted by Ajax View Post
    Words mean things. That's what Simone described her as, atrocious writer that she is.
    Did Simone (excellent writer as she is) actually use the words "drunken slut," or were they in the mouth of a bad-guy or jerkish character talking about her? Context makes a lot of difference there.

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    Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
    I don't think people would call Conan a manwhore or whatever, to his face or not. The fact is that the number of "sexual conquests" Conan makes isn't treated the same as if he were a woman. That's the reason I take issue with calling Sonja a "drunken slut" above.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming
    Words mean things. That's what Simone described her as, atrocious writer that she is.

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    Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
    I don't think people would call Conan a manwhore or whatever, to his face or not. The fact is that the number of "sexual conquests" Conan makes isn't treated the same as if he were a woman. That's the reason I take issue with calling Sonja a "drunken slut" above.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming
    Double posted

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    Originally posted by Ajax View Post
    Libertine, there's a better choice thanks to gendered double standards, of course, but would have served much better than wanton which can bring in those unfortunate associations.
    We can agree more on that, then.

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