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    Swords of Sorrow

    Surely you've heard the news by now!

    Gail Simone's all-female crossover event has been officially dubbed "Swords of Sorrow"

    What do you guys think?

    http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/02/...-sorrow-event/

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    Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
    I think that in any story, the quality of the writing definitely must be good regardless of the message. (Actually, I don't agree with PETA's basic worldview, because they genuinely believe that eating meat or even keeping animals as pets is literally evil, which I think goes far beyond concerns over factory farming, animal testing, etc.)
    Just an example. My point is that I doubt people are terribly opposed to additional characters of different races, nationalities, sexual orientation, etc. But the way some creators/companies go about providing that is a turn off. I think Gail Simone can be like that for some people.

    I'm Canadian (you may have guessed). I like Canadian characters.

    Justice League United:
    Equinox: Good
    Adam Strange: Bad

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    I think that in any story, the quality of the writing definitely must be good regardless of the message. (Actually, I don't agree with PETA's basic worldview, because they genuinely believe that eating meat or even keeping animals as pets is literally evil, which I think goes far beyond concerns over factory farming, animal testing, etc.)

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    Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
    Maybe this should be its own thread, but what do you see as wrong with "SJW types"?
    I don't think that being a social justice warrior in and off itself is considered wrong, but sometimes the delivery overcomes the message. No one likes to be preached to so even if the message is "right", it can come off as being irritating.

    I'd offer up PETA as a example. Many people may agree with their intent, but their methods irritate some. I think Gail Simone is similar, to some people.

    And to be entirely honest (since we're all sharing), I read comics to get AWAY from that stuff. I don't mind that there are greater demands for diversity in terms of race and/or sexual preference, but at the moment it feels somewhat disingenuous being that for all that people claim to want it, books like Batwoman and Batwing sells like crap (or did) even under the bat banner.

    Maybe (probably) I'm getting old, but I miss the days when I didn't know a damn thing about the creative team except perhaps his or her body of work and just picked up a book for its content. I had no idea whether Frank Miller is black when I bought Daredevil and it didn't matter. Devin Grayson may well have been a guy for all I knew. These announcements now about all-female creative teams turn me off more than anything. I don't give a crap what their gender is. Are they any good?? THAT should be your focus.
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    Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
    I see them as a mild resistance to SJW types.
    Maybe this should be its own thread, but what do you see as wrong with "SJW types"?

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    Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
    G'day,

    I think that type of sexy art is what Dynamite is famous for. Remember the Deejah Thoris "Risque" covers? Haven't seen them since they got the official OK from ERB inc so I assume stopping them was part of the agreement. Anyway I don't really mind girlie pinup covers, or muscle men covers for that matter. I see them as a mild resistance to SJW types.

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    Agreed, the covers seem pretty typical for Dynamite, some quite cheesecake while others seem more story oriented. I was amused by ERB Inc early objections to Dynamite's depictions as being too unclothed. Clearly, the folks making that argument hadn't read the books though Dynamite may have toned them down since then.

    Simone as SJW? I suppose a case could be made for her bringing pet causes into her work but it hasn't seemed overtly so in her run on Red Sonja. I just find her writing more Xena than REH's Hyboria. A generic medieval world where the character of Sonja is more or less a Conan knock off (surly, drunken, and slattern) than previous runs. Her two arcs have been underwhelming, the first a rambling story that tried to do an origin, a back tale of Annisia and Sonja, and its current crisis and did none of the three in anything but superficial paint by numbers characterization. The second arc couldn't decide if it wanted to be a comedy or a drama and floundered between both. The third arc wants a serious Sonja story, but the last two arcs have left me not caring about Sonja and her plight in the story since what has come before has made her so uninteresting.

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    G'day,

    I think that type of sexy art is what Dynamite is famous for. Remember the Deejah Thoris "Risque" covers? Haven't seen them since they got the official OK from ERB inc so I assume stopping them was part of the agreement. Anyway I don't really mind girlie pinup covers, or muscle men covers for that matter. I see them as a mild resistance to SJW types.

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    Originally posted by Ralok View Post
    Read what I wrote, I didn't say they were lesbians I said Iwas sick of a type of sexy-art.

    And yeah Gail Simone is a SJW but not as horrendously bad or offensive as others such as Faith Erin Hicks or Kate Leth (Kate Leth being a woman who keeps getting hired to do childrens comics, despite the fact that she posts pedophilic lesbian porn of cartoon characters on her personal blog)

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    Honestly, I think Gail Simone is an awesome writer, and while she does deal with real-world issues in a lot of her books, I don't think it makes them clunky in some way.

    I think it's actually a bit sad that the term "social justice warrior" implies something negative, as if fighting for social justice were somehow bad or wrong.

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    Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
    G'day,

    Having a bunch a women fighting doesn't make them lesbians. Even if they aren't wearing much. Personally I thought they were mostly girlie pinup covers. As to Gail, well I admit to not having read much of her stuff but from what you say she sounds like a Social Justice Warrior. I refuse to condemn her at this stage as I have always felt an all-girl team up has merit. If the books are more about some political message rather then a story I'll condemn her then.

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    Read what I wrote, I didn't say they were lesbians I said Iwas sick of a type of sexy-art.

    And yeah Gail Simone is a SJW but not as horrendously bad or offensive as others such as Faith Erin Hicks or Kate Leth (Kate Leth being a woman who keeps getting hired to do childrens comics, despite the fact that she posts pedophilic lesbian porn of cartoon characters on her personal blog)

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    G'day,

    Having a bunch a women fighting doesn't make them lesbians. Even if they aren't wearing much. Personally I thought they were mostly girlie pinup covers. As to Gail, well I admit to not having read much of her stuff but from what you say she sounds like a Social Justice Warrior. I refuse to condemn her at this stage as I have always felt an all-girl team up has merit. If the books are more about some political message rather then a story I'll condemn her then.

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    Originally posted by Ralok View Post
    Im not goign to lie, I have some issues with Gail Simone...

    For example she is a type of writer that believes that the message people interpret from a work is more important than what the author is trying to convey. While it may be somewhat true in some circumstances, for an author to believe so means that their work is somewhat aimless and could be considered devoid of inherent meaning because someone who believes this way will not try to give it meaning.

    I also think that this story is using a little bit too much... psuedo... lesbian artwork, where the characters arent actually lesbians but we are supposed to get off on how close the female characters are interacting. Honestly I am just getting sick of this, it just... doesnt work so well anymore... maybe like back in the early 2000s and late 90s... when porn wasnt so freely available.

    Eh... I will read it for Dejah Thoris...

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    Im not goign to lie, I have some issues with Gail Simone...

    For example she is a type of writer that believes that the message people interpret from a work is more important than what the author is trying to convey. While it may be somewhat true in some circumstances, for an author to believe so means that their work is somewhat aimless and could be considered devoid of inherent meaning because someone who believes this way will not try to give it meaning.

    I also think that this story is using a little bit too much... psuedo... lesbian artwork, where the characters arent actually lesbians but we are supposed to get off on how close the female characters are interacting. Honestly I am just getting sick of this, it just... doesnt work so well anymore... maybe like back in the early 2000s and late 90s... when porn wasnt so freely available.

    Eh... I will read it for Dejah Thoris...

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    Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
    B ut how about Deejah and Dale Arden?
    I know little of Dale Arden, though I did like the Flash Gordon Holiday Special I picked up.

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    G'day,

    Yeah thats one series that needs to continue. B ut how about Deejah and Dale Arden?

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    Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
    If they do, I wonder if there will be any reference to Lords of Mars. I really do hope so...

    As for Simone, since just about everything else I've read by her has been excellent, I expect this to be as well.

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    Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
    as well as a Deejah Thoris Jane Clayton team up
    If they do, I wonder if there will be any reference to Lords of Mars. I really do hope so...

    As for Simone, since just about everything else I've read by her has been excellent, I expect this to be as well.

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    Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
    G'day,

    This is very exciting, I'll be getting a few of them. Love to see a Bionic Woman/ Pat Savage team up as well as a Deejah Thoris Jane Clayton team up.

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    Jane meeting Jana the Jungle-girl, would be fun.

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