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  • I get that the Dejah Thoris & (blank) books are meant to be horror, but they realyl should have tackled a Nightmare on Elm Street style horror to get better into the psychological aspects, it would have worked as a better transition between White Apes and Green Men. There is a reason horror is the biggest in straight to dumpster DVD's... because its hard, but its easy to mistake for being easy!

    which is another reason to keep main characters like Dejah out of it, because if you screw up a title character... its bad, but screwing up Tara in this context would be hard since she fits, and she doesnt have as many appearences or as much importance in the books.

    they should do something with the plant-men though in a horror book "Dejah Thoris & The Blue Plague of Mars"

    or maybe something more spiritual... there were a few spiritual critters in mars books back in the days.... hmmm

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    • Originally posted by Ralok View Post
      Okay... let me put it this ways "excessive titties and ass" are for thirteen year old boys who are too childish to look at porn and get that over with, its for idiots who think they are being proper by not lookign at porn and thus try to shovel it into everything else. It depowers dejah thoris repeatedly and puts her on the verge of rape, and has excessive torture porn for the sick freaks that get off on that stuff.

      its childish in that it is immature! This is the kind of bullcrap people make because its stuff they werent allowed to enjoy as children, kind of like an idiot that buys wonder bread because it has polka dots, not realizing its high price isnt worth it... just buying it because their momma wouldn't let them.

      then they over-indulge in it to absurd levels.

      It was excessive, and these things were things that ERB used in his works on occassion but he knew how to keep it in moderation. Its important to do that with works with such heavy implication concepts, note... not "in-depth" or "high" concepts... heavy implication concepts....

      Cannibalism, rape, illegal human trade, sexaulity.... it was all too much for such a small package.

      If "Dejah Thoris and the White Apes" came off seeming like...Friday the 13th... then this was more like TExas Chainsaw Massacre... which as evidenced by the sequels, is a hard thing to get right!
      This is an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.

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      • Originally posted by Ralok View Post
        Okay... let me put it this ways "excessive titties and ass" are for thirteen year old boys who are too childish to look at porn and get that over with, its for idiots who think they are being proper by not lookign at porn and thus try to shovel it into everything else. It depowers dejah thoris repeatedly and puts her on the verge of rape, and has excessive torture porn for the sick freaks that get off on that stuff.

        its childish in that it is immature! This is the kind of bullcrap people make because its stuff they werent allowed to enjoy as children, kind of like an idiot that buys wonder bread because it has polka dots, not realizing its high price isnt worth it... just buying it because their momma wouldn't let them.

        then they over-indulge in it to absurd levels.

        It was excessive, and these things were things that ERB used in his works on occassion but he knew how to keep it in moderation. Its important to do that with works with such heavy implication concepts, note... not "in-depth" or "high" concepts... heavy implication concepts....

        Cannibalism, rape, illegal human trade, sexaulity.... it was all too much for such a small package.

        If "Dejah Thoris and the White Apes" came off seeming like...Friday the 13th... then this was more like TExas Chainsaw Massacre... which as evidenced by the sequels, is a hard thing to get right!
        Oh my...

        Where to begin?

        I guess in order. First, "excessive titties and ass" are non-existent in this title. Anatomy is present, but I did not think excessively. Their mere presence does not make for porn, sorry. They would need to be flaunted in a way meant to arouse for that. We are skirting the often debated distinction between Nudity, and Pornography. While people will always argue over this distinction, I seriously doubt the intent of the Artists involved was to create anything meant to arouse anybody (with the possible exception of our Thark readers) - and therefore the so-called porn is all in your mind (where all The Best Porn happens!).

        And the "idiot that buys wonder bread because it has polka dots, not realizing its high price isn't worth it... just buying it because their momma wouldn't let them" is an even bigger idiot for buying white bread at all, when everybody knows wheat bread is far healthier! But idiots like their white bread and I would not presume to say that it has no place on store shelves just because it's worthless garbage.

        I really don't mean to insult you, or anybody, by saying this - but saying "Cannibalism, rape, illegal human trade, sexuulity.... it was all too much for such a small package" - one has to wonder if the small package in question is the comic book itself, or the mind perceiving it.

        Originally posted by Ralok View Post
        I get that the Dejah Thoris & (blank) books are meant to be horror, but they realyl should have tackled a Nightmare on Elm Street style horror to get better into the psychological aspects, it would have worked as a better transition between White Apes and Green Men. There is a reason horror is the biggest in straight to dumpster DVD's... because its hard, but its easy to mistake for being easy!

        which is another reason to keep main characters like Dejah out of it, because if you screw up a title character... its bad, but screwing up Tara in this context would be hard since she fits, and she doesnt have as many appearences or as much importance in the books.

        they should do something with the plant-men though in a horror book "Dejah Thoris & The Blue Plague of Mars"

        or maybe something more spiritual... there were a few spiritual critters in mars books back in the days.... hmmm
        You miss the point completely.

        The main character has absolutely nothing to do with the story's being Horror or not. That comes from the supporting cast.

        Any character can work in any story type (Remember Air Pirates?). It is the character's reactions that keep them in or out of character, and in this story I did not notice Deja slipping out of character at all.

        Originally posted by Leadpoison View Post
        This is an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.
        Yup. I think so as well.

        But he's entitled to his opinion! I just take issue with it being stated as fact, as opposed to what it is - an opinion.
        Last edited by Cynicalman; 08-20-2013, 12:09 PM. Reason: Grammar

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        • well here is my thing... I am happy that the series is getting more issues specifically because the concepts in the first four issues were a little heavy for a small series to take on. This will better allow the demonstration of the repercussions and reactions from the characters. I mean that literally four issues is not enough to give a decent treatment to the concept without being insulting to the senses.

          but there is something you obviously failed to notice, and I am hesitant as hell to point it out on this forum, because it is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

          "We are skirting the often debated distinction between Nudity, and Pornography. While people will always argue over this distinction, I seriously doubt the intent of the Artists involved was to create anything meant to arouse anybody (with the possible exception of our Thark readers) - and therefore the so-called porn is all in your mind (where all The Best Porn happens!)."

          This is your quote cynicalman... you are wrong in this instance... just because nudity can be a part of art, does not mean all nudity is automatically art. And certainly not when a hairy cock monster with huge balls makes an appearence for no reason and is eaten by a thark.

          I did not pick up this issue for bent over crotch shots of Dejah Thoris, and hairy cock monsters. they could have gotten away with the cock monster.... if they hadnt included prominant hairy testicles on it.

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          THIS DID NOT NEED TO HAPPEN, character has spent whole issue being emotionally and physically violated. HERE IS HER BENT OVER SHOWING OFF HER SNATCH FOR OUR NEANDERTHAL READERS THAT DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEXUALITY IN ART AND PORN!!!

          And of course you will probably dismiss everything I am saying as "hey you are a religious prude" I am not religious, I am not a prude, sexuality can be done well in art... take farscape for example, it never eclipsed the work.

          And this!

          "And the "idiot that buys wonder bread because it has polka dots, not realizing its high price isn't worth it... just buying it because their momma wouldn't let them" is an even bigger idiot for buying white bread at all, when everybody knows wheat bread is far healthier! But idiots like their white bread and I would not presume to say that it has no place on store shelves just because it's worthless garbage."

          AS LONG AS YOU ARENT BUYING WHOLE GRAIN!!! That stuff is a scam, they just throw everything in a bucket and dont bother to clean any of the bread materials... then claim it is healthier for you.
          Last edited by Ralok; 08-20-2013, 01:42 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Ralok View Post
            but there is something you obviously failed to notice, and I am hesitant as hell to point it out on this forum, because it is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen in my entire life.

            "We are skirting the often debated distinction between Nudity, and Pornography. While people will always argue over this distinction, I seriously doubt the intent of the Artists involved was to create anything meant to arouse anybody (with the possible exception of our Thark readers) - and therefore the so-called porn is all in your mind (where all The Best Porn happens!)."

            This is your quote cynicalman... you are wrong in this instance... just because nudity can be a part of art, does not mean all nudity is automatically art. And certainly not when a hairy cock monster with huge balls makes an appearence for no reason and is eaten by a thark.
            Where?

            I saw no such critter anywhere!

            You don't mean the elongated spidery thing encountered in the caves about the same time as the image you posted, do you??

            That didn't strike me as anything at all like what you see in it. I saw a derivative of H. R. Giger's Facehugger from Alien. Nothing at all like what you describe. The hairs on that critter are not typical of any pubic hair I have ever seen, but they are typical of the sorts of hairs on many spiders I have seen. I think you are reading too much into this.

            You only serve to prove my point about the so-called porn being all in your mind (where all The Best Porn happens!). While an allusion to something vaguely resembling a phallus and testicles is present, I defy you to find even one other person who sees that critter as more a phallus monster than a Giger tribute. I've seen phallus monsters in fantasy porn, and trust me - this ain't one of them!

            And the image you posted and described as "SHOWING OFF HER SNATCH" does no such thing! There is not one pixel of snatch anywhere to be seen in the entire series. That is merely an image of a woman in a thong bending over to get into a cave like place, not showing off anything or even revealing anything you can't see on any beach in the summertime right here in the good old U.S. of A!

            None of what you see is really there - it truly is all in your mind. If you truly see any snatch anywhere in that image, I suggest you look at a real woman and make a comparison. Trust me, the genuine article is totally different.

            The bread comment was a joke - sorry if it offended you. But in case you were serious, you are mistaken about the cleanliness of bread manufacturing. I am a chemist and work in manufacturing. We make sanitizers and sell to many commercial bakeries. I have seen their plants, and everything is clean and sterile. You could eat off the floors there safely (thanks in part to me and my sanitizer formulas!).

            And for the record, I don't care if a person is religious or prudish - neither has any bearing on this discussion.

            I'm sorry you seem to be taking this personally.

            I like you and don't want any animosity between us. I respect your opinions, I just vehemently disagree with your assessment.

            Hopefully we can agree to disagree about the pornographic nature of the content of Dejah Thoris and the Green Men of Mars, and continue to enjoy Dynamite's comics and forums.

            Peace.

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            • I am buying all the Warlord of Mars tie-in titles as I am an ERB completest. At least with the DT and the GMOM series, there seems to be an undercurrent story about racial stances and discrimination. The previous series, DT and the White Apes of Mars displayed not much story (especially over four plus issues) and contained more of the obvious T & A stuff that is not as necessary as the characters are alluring as they are designed in the beginning. In the main Warlord of Marsejah Thoris series seems to have developed a definitive personality for DT and her cast.

              I am just hoping that the main Warlord of Mars title catches up on its shipping schedule. Going what appear bi-monthly is helping catch up.

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              • G'day,

                Does anyone have any updates? The books are still being published so I assume ERB have not won or its still going through the courts. If ERB does lose the case then Dynamite can also do the pre 1923 stories as well , such as Pellucidar and the Moon Maid.

                ta

                Ralph

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                • Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
                  Does anyone have any updates? The books are still being published so I assume ERB have not won or its still going through the courts. If ERB does lose the case then Dynamite can also do the pre 1923 stories as well , such as Pellucidar and the Moon Maid.
                  Edgar Rice Burroughs Inc. has their own line of comics, but they're only available online, in the half-page newspaper strip format (which corresponds to the landscape format of computer screens). The strips include Tarzan, Carson of Venus, The Eternal Savage, The War Chief, Cave Girl, and Pellucidar. You can view samples of the strips here. ERB Inc. charges $1.99 per month for a subscription, which includes new weekly installments of all the strips. Oddly enough, no John Carter strip (maybe they're afraid DE's Warlord of Mars would look better by comparison?) Or maybe Marvel still holds the exclusive option for JC because of the recent film, including the digital comic rights.

                  It's a shame that DE and ERB Inc. can't work out some sort of resolution to the benefit of everyone; it wouldn't be the first time an unauthorized edition of ERB became an officially licensed edition. If two different comic book companies (Dark Horse and IDW) can publish authorized Tarzan reprints concurrently, their ought to be room for a third company (DE) to publish authorized new material.
                  Last edited by pulphero; 09-05-2013, 06:16 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by pulphero View Post
                    Edgar Rice Burroughs Inc. has their own line of comics, but they're only available online, in the half-page newspaper strip format (which corresponds to the landscape format of computer screens). The strips include Tarzan, Carson of Venus, The Eternal Savage, The War Chief, Cave Girl, and Pellucidar. You can view samples of the strips here. ERB Inc. charges $1.99 per month for a subscription, which includes new weekly installments of all the strips. Oddly enough, no John Carter strip (maybe they're afraid DE's Warlord of Mars would look better by comparison?)

                    It's a shame that DE and ERB Inc. can't work out some sort of resolution to the benefit of everyone; it wouldn't be the first time an unauthorized edition of ERB became an officially licensed edition.
                    Yes, I'm aware ERB Inc are doing an online strip. But the Dynamite stuff seems much more interesting. As a reader I would much rather see DE build the Burroughs universe in comics form. If the trademark matter was resolved in DE's favor they could do the other main Burroughs characters now with the exception of Carson of Venus. Considering the all the stories become public domain in 2020 anyway I can understand ERB's position. Lets keep the gravy train going through the trademark laws. But in my view that goes completely against the intention of the limits on copyright. That there has been no news for over a year on the story indicates to me its still probably going through the courts.

                    ta

                    Ralph

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                    • Originally posted by pulphero View Post
                      Edgar Rice Burroughs Inc. has their own line of comics, but they're only available online, in the half-page newspaper strip format (which corresponds to the landscape format of computer screens). The strips include Tarzan, Carson of Venus, The Eternal Savage, The War Chief, Cave Girl, and Pellucidar. You can view samples of the strips here. ERB Inc. charges $1.99 per month for a subscription, which includes new weekly installments of all the strips. Oddly enough, no John Carter strip (maybe they're afraid DE's Warlord of Mars would look better by comparison?) Or maybe Marvel still holds the exclusive option for JC because of the recent film, including the digital comic rights.

                      It's a shame that DE and ERB Inc. can't work out some sort of resolution to the benefit of everyone; it wouldn't be the first time an unauthorized edition of ERB became an officially licensed edition. If two different comic book companies (Dark Horse and IDW) can publish authorized Tarzan reprints concurrently, their ought to be room for a third company (DE) to publish authorized new material.
                      Thanks for the link, some of those strips looks good, but I don't really read digital, maybe I'll try. Come on DE you and ERB please work this thing out.

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                      • Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
                        Considering the all the stories become public domain in 2020 anyway I can understand ERB's position. Lets keep the gravy train going through the trademark laws. But in my view that goes completely against the intention of the limits on copyright.
                        Copyrights expire after a given period of time, giving anyone the right to copy (as in reprint, or adapt) the original work. Trademarks are a completely different matter. Once secured, there is no expiration date; they are viable and protected as long as they are maintained in usage. Trademarks relate to names or phrases, brands, and logos or other identity marks or symbols. ERB Inc. has every right to maintain its trademarks. The specific matter under question here is whether or not ERB has maintained trademarks to the phrases or brand names "Warlord of Mars", "Dejah Thoris", and "Lord of the Jungle". ERB Inc. claims that it has, but I have my doubts. It's pretty clear that they have maintained the trademarks to "Tarzan", "Korak, Son of Tarzan", and "John Carter of Mars", however.

                        Make no mistake, the ERB Inc. online comic strips are a belated attempt to secure trademarks on names to ERB's works in which the copyrights have expired or will expire soon. That does nothing to prevent the exploitation of the content of the works themselves by anyone once the copyright is expired, but it does give ERB Inc. something to trade in. However, the burden is on them to maintain the trademarks in usage. If they don't, for whatever reason, then they lose the protection that comes with those trademarks.

                        Trademark law doesn't "go against the intent" of copyright law. If it did there would be no need for trademark law; it covers a different area, preventing unfair competition in commerce. Trademarks are about actual products or services for sale, whereas copyrights cover the area of "intellectual property" (ideas). With a trademark, you can copy the idea, but not the name. We call these 'cheap knock-offs' or 'no-name brands'. There is a lot of confusion in the general public about the specific meanings and usages of copyrights, trademarks, and patents.
                        Last edited by pulphero; 09-05-2013, 02:36 PM.

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                        • Wow...

                          I missed this thread until today!

                          Scary stuff. Dynamite has done the best job ever with the Barsoomian Stuffs (besides Eddy Baby himself!) and I hope they continue to do so for a long time to come.

                          I think I'll write to ERB Inc and ask them to try and work something out rather than sue for stoppage. Perhaps they simply never read any of the comics in question?

                          Best of luck to DE and if there's any sort of online petition to ask ERB to play nice - please direct me to it!

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                          • Originally posted by Cynicalman View Post
                            Wow...

                            I missed this thread until today!

                            Scary stuff. Dynamite has done the best job ever with the Barsoomian Stuffs (besides Eddy Baby himself!) and I hope they continue to do so for a long time to come.

                            I think I'll write to ERB Inc and ask them to try and work something out rather than sue for stoppage. Perhaps they simply never read any of the comics in question?

                            Best of luck to DE and if there's any sort of online petition to ask ERB to play nice - please direct me to it!
                            I agree! Now that the Disney movie is a thing of the past (unfortunately, there will be no apparent sequels), and with no further Marvel mini-series (I was hoping for a third to wrap up the Barsoomian trilogy), DE and the ERB Inc. need to come together. DE is publishing good adaptions and new stories for these characters and it would be a shame to see that end.

                            Someone let me know where such a petition would exist!

                            Just read Lords of Mars #2 and Warlord of Mars: Dejah Thoris #29--excellent reads and awesome art! Great covers! DE's version of these characters needs to survive!!!

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                            • Originally posted by Blinky McQuade View Post
                              I agree! Now that the Disney movie is a thing of the past (unfortunately, there will be no apparent sequels), and with no further Marvel mini-series (I was hoping for a third to wrap up the Barsoomian trilogy), DE and the ERB Inc. need to come together. DE is publishing good adaptions and new stories for these characters and it would be a shame to see that end.

                              Someone let me know where such a petition would exist!

                              Just read Lords of Mars #2 and Warlord of Mars: Dejah Thoris #29--excellent reads and awesome art! Great covers! DE's version of these characters needs to survive!!!
                              Sanctioning DE's ERB titles would definitely be an asset to ERB Inc. They are helping to promote these characters and keep them in the public eye, and perhaps bring new fans into the fold as well. The fact that they are one of DE's most successful franchises is saying something.

                              It's hard to know how ERB Inc. might be looking at it, though. Marvel's recent John Carter adaptations were considerably tamer. Even though DE's level of semi-nudity and sexiness (though without any overt sex) is technically accurate to the stories as Burroughs wrote them, there may be a strong inclination at ERB Inc. to keep these characters firmly slanted in a "Rated G" direction, to keep all their options open for cartoons, toys, and other products aimed at children.

                              Regarding the recently-discontinued DE series Lord of the Jungle, I wonder if there might not be something to ERB Inc.'s claim of trademark to that term. Tarzan, Lord of the Jungle (the eleventh Tarzan novel) is still under copyright in the US (and even if DE isn't adapting the novel, they are using part of the title), and furthermore the title "Tarzan, Lord of the Jungle" was used for Filmation's animated TV series which aired from 1976-1984.
                              Last edited by pulphero; 09-06-2013, 12:36 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by pulphero View Post

                                Regarding the recently-discontinued DE series Lord of the Jungle, I wonder if there might not be something to ERB Inc.'s claim of trademark to that term. Tarzan, Lord of the Jungle (the eleventh Tarzan novel) is still under copyright in the US (and even if DE isn't adapting the novel, they are using part of the title), and furthermore the title "Tarzan, Lord of the Jungle" was used for Filmation's animated TV series which aired from 1976-1984.
                                I would thik if that was the only problem DE could change the title to something like "Jungle Lord" and be in the clear.

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