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  • if the David Yates Tarzan film gets made i would expect this lawsuit to become more relevant. the Burroughs estate will want to get the Tarzan brand out there and i doubt they would want Dynamite publishing something that takes money out of their pockets.

    honestly, i'm surprised this hasn't went to court or been settled already. the Burroughs estate use to be pretty on the ball with getting unauthorized material stopped.

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    • Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
      I would thik if that was the only problem DE could change the title to something like "Jungle Lord" and be in the clear.
      Who knows. Even that might be too close for comfort. Perhaps something even further afield like "The Ape Man" or "King of the Apes". The real truth may be that at the current level of sales of Lord of the Jungle, the potential legal cost (win or lose) wasn't worth the risk. Maybe DE would have better luck with a Jane of the Jungle title. Sexy babes seem to do better than average for DE. Kind of a loosely-based adaptation, mind you... or you could make it more like the ERB version of Lois & Clark

      The Warlord of Mars titles may be an entirely different story - more profitable, and ERB's claim to trademark may be more tenuous. Come to think of it, Warlord of Mars Dejah Thoris doesn't make a whole lot of sense as a title (especially since in the time period on Barsoom it is set, there IS no Warlord). Especially puzzling since the more appropriate title Princess of Mars is clearly in public domain. Dejah Thoris, Princess of Mars is a whole lot more accurate, and sounds better too.
      Last edited by pulphero; 09-07-2013, 02:01 PM.

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      • I am not sure, but it seems some of the issues between ERB Inc and Dynamite have been worked out... but I dont think they cant make anything official until 2015 when Disneys rights to the John Carter franchise expire.

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        • Originally posted by Ralok View Post
          I am not sure, but it seems some of the issues between ERB Inc and Dynamite have been worked out... but I dont think they cant make anything official until 2015 when Disneys rights to the John Carter franchise expire.
          Well I hope so. Dynamite is in the perfect position to reinvigorate the entire Burroughs fantasy line with their comics. Let them do Tarzan, John Carter, Venus, Pellucidar etc. Having the Burroughsian universe back would be marvelous for readers.

          The main problem is making it fit with ERB Inc's business plan but they will need to update it anyway after 2020.

          ta

          Ralph

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          • Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
            Well I hope so. Dynamite is in the perfect position to reinvigorate the entire Burroughs fantasy line with their comics. Let them do Tarzan, John Carter, Venus, Pellucidar etc. Having the Burroughsian universe back would be marvelous for readers.
            Nothing would please this reader more. I do wonder how Dark Horse figures into the big picture, but aside from their recent hardcover series reprinting the original Hal Foster comic strips, and the Dark Horse Archives volumes of Dell/Gold Key/DC Tarzan, Korak, and John Carter, they haven't done much in the way of preserving and promoting the ERB legacy with new material since 1997 or so. It's time for ERB Inc. to open up the officially-authorized Burroughs vault of characters to another publisher.

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            • Originally posted by Ralok View Post
              I am not sure, but it seems some of the issues between ERB Inc and Dynamite have been worked out... but I dont think they cant make anything official until 2015 when Disneys rights to the John Carter franchise expire.
              I really hope this is the case, the Warlord books are among Dynamite's best. But I want a Tarzan ongoing!

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              • Originally posted by pulphero View Post
                Nothing would please this reader more. I do wonder how Dark Horse figures into the big picture, but aside from their recent hardcover series reprinting the original Hal Foster comic strips, and the Dark Horse Archives volumes of Dell/Gold Key/DC Tarzan, Korak, and John Carter, they haven't done much in the way of preserving and promoting the ERB legacy with new material since 1997 or so. It's time for ERB Inc. to open up the officially-authorized Burroughs vault of characters to another publisher.
                Agreed, Dark Horse have been really disappointing when it comes to new material. I really hope that Dynamite gets the license.

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                • There hasn't been any public news for over a year yet "warlord" books are still coming out and Tarzan is a current character in Lords of Mars. That must mean something. Lets hope its a positive development.

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                  Ralph

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                  • Originally posted by ralphuniverse View Post
                    There hasn't been any public news for over a year yet "warlord" books are still coming out and Tarzan is a current character in Lords of Mars. That must mean something. Lets hope its a positive development.

                    ta

                    Ralph
                    It might simply mean that DE is confident enough in its legal position that it can afford to ignore any threats from ERB Inc. to "cease and desist". The wheels of the American justice system grind slowly. Look at how long the legal battle between the Siegel Estate and Warner/DC dragged on.

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                    • G'day,

                      Its interesting to note that the copyright for the first two Pellucidar novels has expired in the United States so they could do do David Innes and Dian the Beautiful stories. I don't remember Dian wearing much so I expect those stories would be as popular as the Dejah Thoris stories ;-) . Perhaps the reason they haven't has to do with the general copyright/trademark issue.

                      However what would they call the book? The best I could come up with is Warrior at the Earth's Core.

                      Ralph
                      Last edited by ralphuniverse; 09-16-2013, 07:37 AM.

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                      • David Innes was lightly clad as well, I hope?

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                        • Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
                          David Innes was lightly clad as well, I hope?
                          Pellucidarians even more so than barsoomians.

                          but I dont read comics for the sxual exploitation of my fellow human beings and literary characters. I read them for good stories, if I want sex, and sexieness... I will look at a god forsaken porno. The internet sure as hell has enouhg of it, I dont need to disguise my sexuality behind a facade of storytelling legitimacy.

                          you are the kind of people that say "I read playboy for the articles" arent you all?

                          Anyways, an Earths Core book should simply be called "at the earths core" since ERB Inc no longer holds the copyright on that particular title. It could be a great story, but I wonder about the approach that Dynamite would take with the Mahars... would they make them lizards, or make them all naked sexy women?

                          I almost feel like naked sexy lizard women would make more sense with the ending of the original book because at least her silhoutte would be proper. David Innes mistaking a pterodactyl for his girlfriend is weird on sooooooo many levels.

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                          • Originally posted by Ralok View Post
                            you are the kind of people that say "I read playboy for the articles" arent you all?
                            If I had to guess based on his comments, I would bet ChastMastr doesn't, but if he does, it probably IS for the articles.

                            Originally posted by Ralok View Post
                            I almost feel like naked sexy lizard women would make more sense with the ending of the original book because at least her silhoutte would be proper. David Innes mistaking a pterodactyl for his girlfriend is weird on sooooooo many levels.
                            But Mahars have telepathic powers, so... super-hypnotism?

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                            • Yes, I think that sexiness and good storytelling aren't at all mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be pornographic to have erotic aspects, as long as those aren't the only thing.

                              Heck, it's like a horror movie we watched the other night. It was indeed horror, but ... nothing else. Not really a plot, no character development... everyone died but there wasn't a sense of it being a tragedy (in the dramatic sense) or karmic retribution (a la much of the old EC pre-Code stuff)--it was just horrible and gross. I thought about it afterward and decided it was essentially the horror analogue of pornography (as opposed to a good horror story being an analogue of well-written erotica). There needs to be actual plot, story, characterization, and so forth. Otherwise, whatever the genre, it's just a sequence of events rather than a proper story.

                              From my point of view, Conan being muscular, in a loincloth, having adventures, etc. can indeed have good writing and gorgeous art with a sense of the erotic, just because, well, he's hot. But that doesn't make it porn, and I don't want it to be porn. An entire issue of Conan having plotless sexual escapades would be... sort of "off" to me as a "real" Conan story, even if it were well-drawn.

                              Ditto all of the above with David Innes and Pellucidar.

                              Re: The telepathic pterodactyls (shades of (the X-Men's) Sauron! I wonder if that's where they got the idea? The name is from Tolkien, but a telepathic, hypnotic, energy-draining pterodactyl-man does sound pretty close...)--yes, that could make sense. Or maybe he was dazed for a moment?

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                              • Originally posted by ChastMastr View Post
                                Re: The telepathic pterodactyls (shades of (the X-Men's) Sauron! I wonder if that's where they got the idea? The name is from Tolkien, but a telepathic, hypnotic, energy-draining pterodactyl-man does sound pretty close...)--yes, that could make sense.
                                The similarities (let's be nice and call it 'homage') of Ka-Zar to Tarzan, and The Savage Land to Pellucidar (and to The Land That Time Forgot) could certainly not have been lost on Roy Thomas when he was writing X-MEN. Would adding a Mahar-esque Sauron to the mix really be that much of a stretch?

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