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  • #76
    Originally posted by TheRetroVideoGameAddict View Post
    I want to say Dynamite will flesh it out with more titles and will continue to publish fan favorites like The Spider and Black Bat, but I think we all know we're kidding ourselves thinking that. Unfortunately I can see Dynamite publishing Doc Savage, The Shadow, and maybe a few books centered around team ups or possibly something similar to Masks and that's it. Great characters like Black Bat, Miss Fury, and The Spider will be lost to the sands of time despite their vocal readers demanding stories.

    Who knows what the future brings, all I know is that I'm 1000% invested into this PulpX line of books and I really don't want to see any of them go away anytime soon. I love them.

    I see a much more confident future for the DE pulp line. However, DE might want to abandon the "regular on-going title" format for mini series and 48 page graphic novels (one-shots) of the characters. Elsewhere posted, someone mentioned that the editors of DE, like myself, loved the magazine format adventures of Doc Savage (at the time published by Marvel). I found that 1970s magazine era very approachable for new readers. Each 48 plus adventure of Doc Savage was a graphic novel of epic adventure. I also enjoyed the self-contained adventures of Deadly Hands of Kung Fu and the Savage Sword of Conan the Barbarian. Perhaps DE needs to focus on that graphic novel approach in these economic times. It seems the market loves new #1s and a series of mini-series should be the correct method to build a fan base on certain characters. I want to see more adventures of the Spider, the Shadow, The Green Hornet, the Black Bat, Miss Fury and others. The efforts to transplant these iconic pulp heroes to the present day is another good path (Green Hornet Legacy, The Spider, The Shadow Now, and the upcoming Doc Savage). I think the crossovers are great (Masks should be a series of mini-series featuring different team up combinations! How about a Masks Now?). Maybe crossovers over time would be a good story (like Prince Valiant or Red Sonja to the early Phantom to Zorro to the Lone Ranger to Green Hornet to Doc Savage mini for example). Introducing the Gold Key characters and the Kings Feature characters is a great idea. There are other gems to gleam from the Pulp-magazine/comic-strip/movie-serial/radio-show era and DE is doing the best in bringing great talent and cool stories to light! Keep it up DE!

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    • #77
      As a reader I was more and constant content that the monthly series can provide. If DE wanted to limit each series to a 4-6 issue mini than that's cool as long as we're treated to 8-10 issues worth a year, I hate constany mini's that see 4 issues a year and that's it, as a reader I feel abandoned and forgotten that way.

      48 page specials could work, but again.....give us at least one for each characters every other month or for several months in a row.

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      • #78
        I wouldn't mind seeing the entire line of Dynamite pulp heroes go to a burst of mini's, similar to how Francavilla does Black Beetle for Dark Horse just as long as ALL of the characters we've been exposed to enjoy recurring mini's.

        IE: Jan-April The Spider (insert series name here) 1-4, The Shadow (insert series name here) 1-4, Black Bat (insert series name here) 1-4, Miss Fury (insert series name here) 1-4, Doc Savage (insert series name here) 1-4, and Green Hornet (insert series name here) 1-4, and then whatever characters they want to add to the list.

        Then come around July/August we see them all come back for another 4-6 issues mini, rinse and repeat. Also, I'd love to see some kind of branding denoting that the specific books are a part of the "pulp" line of comics.
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        • #79
          If they go to minis I'd like to see four pair's of rotating titles
          Spider starting in January with the Shadow starting in May followed by another Spider and then a Shadow mini
          February do say Doc Savage followed four months later by a Green Hornet set in the 30's or 40's. Then back to Doc etc.
          In March do the same for Black Bat and say Miss Fury. Then a fourth pair in April (maybe a pair of crossover/team-up titles).
          That way you'd get 2 Spider series and 1 Shadow series the first year and then it would be reversed. They could even throw in the occasional odd ball like the Mysterious Dr. Satan etc. to see how fans react. If they assign an editor to over see everything (or each pair) They could keep things consistant even if the writer and artist change.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Chadster View Post
            Sadly I see Dynamite moving forward with more random crossovers and putting effort into the gold key stuff with little to no effort being put into the pulp stuff after next year.

            They love to leave their fans handing and cancel series left and right and the sympathetic "business disctates this" BS crowd chimes in and the publisher thinks its okay to can a series that has a dedicated fanbase. I see the pulp line dead within a year and a half.
            Chad, you've got to be realistic. Regardless of the high levels of passion we hardcore devotees of pulp heroes have for these titles, the business accountants can't pay the bills with "love". Both Dynamite, and you and I, are victims of the relentless tyranny of cold numbers. The only thing we as fans can do is continue to support the books that ARE made available for our reading pleasure, and try to "infect" as many other people with our passion as possible. Here on these forums, you're preaching to the already converted. What it boils down to is that you're suggesting that Dynamite should ignore dwindling revenues and continue to publish unprofitable titles "for the fans" until they are forced to declare bankruptcy. Then we'll all be able to look back wistfully and admire their dedication.

            Now, are there any better ways that they can arrange their publishing plans and marketing to improve the chances of a title's success? I'd say yes, and I think some other folks here are correct in that they should concentrate on putting out the best quality books they can, even if that means less frequency and regularity (i.e. largely abandoning the ongoing monthly format). But even with the best possible material, you can't *force* the marketplace to buy anything. Marvel and DC have a huge metaphorical club that they can use to beat a captive audience into submission. When you're the 5th or 6th largest publisher with a fraction of those kind of overall sales, your influence on the marketplace at large is correspondingly small.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Blinky McQuade View Post
              I see a much more confident future for the DE pulp line. However, DE might want to abandon the "regular on-going title" format for mini series and 48 page graphic novels (one-shots) of the characters. Elsewhere posted, someone mentioned that the editors of DE, like myself, loved the magazine format adventures of Doc Savage (at the time published by Marvel). I found that 1970s magazine era very approachable for new readers. Each 48 plus adventure of Doc Savage was a graphic novel of epic adventure. I also enjoyed the self-contained adventures of Deadly Hands of Kung Fu and the Savage Sword of Conan the Barbarian. Perhaps DE needs to focus on that graphic novel approach in these economic times. It seems the market loves new #1s and a series of mini-series should be the correct method to build a fan base on certain characters. I want to see more adventures of the Spider, the Shadow, The Green Hornet, the Black Bat, Miss Fury and others. The efforts to transplant these iconic pulp heroes to the present day is another good path (Green Hornet Legacy, The Spider, The Shadow Now, and the upcoming Doc Savage). I think the crossovers are great (Masks should be a series of mini-series featuring different team up combinations! How about a Masks Now?). Maybe crossovers over time would be a good story (like Prince Valiant or Red Sonja to the early Phantom to Zorro to the Lone Ranger to Green Hornet to Doc Savage mini for example). Introducing the Gold Key characters and the Kings Feature characters is a great idea. There are other gems to gleam from the Pulp-magazine/comic-strip/movie-serial/radio-show era and DE is doing the best in bringing great talent and cool stories to light! Keep it up DE!
              The magazine format just won't work for comics in the direct market (comic shops, that comprise the bulk of DE's income). That said, they could do a quarterly or bimonthly (comic book size) "faux-pulp" format with more pages (maybe even black & white with gray tones, to keep printing costs down) that concentrates on a self-contained story of 48-64 pages (with maybe one or two short backup features, or short magazine-like text articles). Maybe even go for the better-quality cardboard covers. Alternatively, they could do either a true anthology title featuring several pulp heroes in serialized stories, or a 'double feature' title with two main characters sharing alternating covers.

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              • #82
                i hope that characters like The Spider, Black Bat and Miss Fury continue to get face time in minis. i think an ongoing team up book would be good. kind of like Brave and the Bold or Marvel Team Up. have Green Hornet and Shadow alternate with other characters who maybe can't support an ongoing. i think the team up/crossover events are necessary for Dynamite to turn a profit. they can be fun too. i 'd read Zorro/Phantom. or Tarzan/Doc Savage.

                someone mentioned Dr. Satan. i too would like to see more obscure characters given a chance. maybe Dynamite could give G8 and His Battle Aces a go. or The Avenger.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by pulphero View Post
                  The magazine format just won't work for comics in the direct market (comic shops, that comprise the bulk of DE's income). That said, they could do a quarterly or bimonthly (comic book size) "faux-pulp" format with more pages (maybe even black & white with gray tones, to keep printing costs down) that concentrates on a self-contained story of 48-64 pages (with maybe one or two short backup features, or short magazine-like text articles). Maybe even go for the better-quality cardboard covers. Alternatively, they could do either a true anthology title featuring several pulp heroes in serialized stories, or a 'double feature' title with two main characters sharing alternating covers.

                  Yes, the 48 to 64 page comic sized format with self-contained adventure you suggested would work for me! The Black and White gray tone format was greatly done recently with some Marvel specials (a great throwback to us old fans of the 1970s magazine era). Although, I could see this done monthly with alternating art teams allowing a quarterly output for each art team to maintain a monthly publication. Also, a consistent rotation of mini-series of featured characters would also work--Shadow mini in the 1930s alternating with a Shadow Now mini (similar mini series of Doc, the Spider, Lord of the Jungle, Zorro, Lone Ranger, Dejah Thoris, Warlord of Mars, Bionic Man, Kings Watch, etc). It would be how Dark Horse is handling its Conan mini series--there is no empty month of Conan mini series.

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                  • #84
                    I agree that the paradigm could shift to story arcs, rather than ongoing. At least for some of the smaller name characters. Black Beetle is a good example of how this could be done well. If the Spider can't survive on a monthly basis, maybe a yearly miniseries could still get some stories out there for readers and make a few bucks for the publisher. I could also see how smaller projects might keep production timely. One of the things that kills it for me is the long waits between issues.

                    One shot specials, minis, crossovers, that's all good stuff.

                    But keep the Shadow ongoing. And Green Hornet. And the other titles I like...

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                    • #85
                      Dead done and over just like everything dynamite pushes. I already saw miss fury gone and SPIDER gone ans soon Black Bat gone too. Watch. The Shadow and Green Hornet will be the lines only staying titles ans Hornet will go soon eventually.

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                      • #86
                        Well, to be fair DE never labeled any of their books as part of a 'line', pulp or otherwise. They are treating them all as individual titles, and they each have to succeed or fail or their own merits. There have been a few crossovers (Masks, Shadow/Green Hornet, Noir), but that's about it. It's a tough marketplace out there. Marvel and DC have been cancelling things left and right too, so it isn't just DE. You might have noticed in the last couple of years that almost everything Marvel or DC publish falls neatly into one of their half-dozen franchise categories, and even that's no guarantee against cancellation.

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                        • #87
                          It can be disheartening to find a series or a line of books you love and then sit back and watch them get cancelled. I personally hate it. Unfortunately it's all a part of business, though I do think publishers need to promote their books a bit more instead of relying on readers to just magically show up.

                          Business is business, though. *sigh*
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                          • #88
                            Turn Masks into its own monthly universe.

                            As a nice way to please Project Superpowers and Pulp fans who are upset that they can't read their favorite characters due to inactivity or cancellation why not turn Masks into a monthly book that features a good chunk of those characters? I could see this being a great way to satisfy the demand to read cancelled characters like The Spider and Miss Fury as well as inactive universes like PSP.

                            Thoughts?
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                            • #89
                              Do you see this as something with ongoing story arcs featuring a large rotating cast of different characters (similar to PSP), a place to do single- or multiple-issue solo stories or smaller (2-3 character) team-ups (more like an ongoing series of miniseries), or some sort of anthology with more than one story per issue?

                              It does occur to me that licensing issues can get complicated when mixing the pulp characters (most of which are licensed) with public-domain and DE-owned characters. MASKS was a finite number of issues with a finite cast, nowhere near as sprawling in scope as PSP, which were all DE versions of public domain characters.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by comixfan1980 View Post
                                As a nice way to please Project Superpowers and Pulp fans who are upset that they can't read their favorite characters due to inactivity or cancellation why not turn Masks into a monthly book that features a good chunk of those characters? I could see this being a great way to satisfy the demand to read cancelled characters like The Spider and Miss Fury as well as inactive universes like PSP.

                                Thoughts?
                                Personally, I think its a wonderful idea. I would buy it every month.

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