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  • I have read in multiple stories posted online that it's an ongoing series and Smith was scheduled to write the first 10 issues, if not more. I wouldn't be suprised if this was an ongoing series should the sales be strong, it would be in the best interest for DE afterall....
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    • Originally posted by Tulku View Post
      Hobgoblyn, would this make sense for Kato (although I freely admit it is heavily influence by the NOW Comics concept):

      Assume the TV Hornet in issue 1 is not the original Hornet (the 30s version). There is a slight hint to that. When he and Kato come out of the fireplace, Reid catches a falling vase. My suspicion is that the vase contains the ashes of his father, the 30s Hornet.

      If we accept that, then suppose the 30s Hornet is assisted by his purely Japanese friend, the original Kato, who (when the war breaks out and being Japanese in America is no longer such a good idea) pretends to be Filipino and/or Korean. But time moves on and Kato I gets married to a nice Chinese girl in America, but he then moves back to his ancestral home in Japan. They have a son, Kato II, who is half-and-half and learns his mothers tongue. He comes to America and befriends the TV Hornet. He can speak Mandarin, but his birth home is still Japan. They clean up the city and prevent the influx of the trite Yakuza. Kato II goes home to Japan and has a daughter. And then we wait for Issue 2 where (guessing) the Yakuza come back to Century City for another try. Kato II and daughter know this and come to help Britt and son, leading to the inevitable son and daughter team-up as the new Hornet & Kato. Does that get us past the Japanese-name/speaking-Mandarin issue?


      Originally posted by TwinPistols View Post
      I didn't think I've seen anything shocking or titillating, as far as the female Kato's costume or form, from the cover releases I've seen. But that's my humble opinion of course. For one thing, she is totally covered, this is no Lady Death or bikini costume.

      To me it looks just fine. I dunno. She has breasts, but they don't seem overdone to me.

      -Pistols
      Maybe you didn't see the cover I was refering to (unlikely, but possible) or you just haven't spent much time looking at real women. Look up images of the actual Chinese, Korean and Japanese martial artist beauties in their 20s or early 30s that I mentioned in the post above and then compare the depiction on those two covers.

      She may not be naked, but she still looks like a porn parody of what the real thing should be.

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      • I really think you're wasting keystrokes here buddy....

        Originally posted by Hobgoblyn View Post
        Maybe you didn't see the cover I was refering to (unlikely, but possible) or you just haven't spent much time looking at real women. Look up images of the actual Chinese, Korean and Japanese martial artist beauties in their 20s or early 30s that I mentioned in the post above and then compare the depiction on those two covers.

        She may not be naked, but she still looks like a porn parody of what the real thing should be.
        Oh, please.

        There's nothing remotely porn about any of it. And "real women" vary in their attributes, so maybe you're the one that needs to spend more time looking at them.

        Yeah, a lot of athletes have slimmer bodies and smaller breats but not all women of asian descent fit that description, having a fuller figure and being active is not unprecedented, in fact it happens everywhere you look, and it's not like she's a D-cup, give me a break.

        All you've done in your initial posts are to bash the writer for doing this and bash the artists for doing that. Instead of wasting all this time posting about what other people are doing "wrong" why don't you spend your time creating and getting it "right". It's real easy to throw stones, it's not so easy to do what creators do for a living.

        You've already established that you don't like the book, so move on. Nobody on Earth is able to produce a comic that is going to satisfy everyone. It's not the end of the world, but continuing to harp on a comic that you obviously aren't going to continue buying is a waste of time.

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        • Originally posted by Hobgoblyn View Post
          Maybe you didn't see the cover I was refering to (unlikely, but possible) or you just haven't spent much time looking at real women. Look up images of the actual Chinese, Korean and Japanese martial artist beauties in their 20s or early 30s that I mentioned in the post above and then compare the depiction on those two covers.

          She may not be naked, but she still looks like a porn parody of what the real thing should be.
          We're talking comics here, not reality. Most of the women (and men) are not realistic. Usually the characters are more or less 'idealistic' in appearance. And while her breast may be bigger than "normal", it's only on the Campbell cover that that they seem really over done. That's one of the reasons I didn't pick up that cover.

          While it's unusual for the characters on the cover to no appear in the comic, this series is about the "current" Green Hornet and Kato so they are the ones on the cover.
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          • Originally posted by TwinPistols View Post
            From what I remember about the TV Show, this is not the same Green Hornet
            This is my first "real" exposure to the Green Hornet and I have very little knowledge of Kevin Smith's work.

            I thought the book was all right and I believe your point has to be emphasized. This isn't a continuation of an existing series, it's one person's take. No different to me than having a female Starbuck in Galactica. Someone introduced to the show with no knowledge of the past series wouldn't care about that.

            I thought the dialogue was poor, particularly in light of the fact that this was supposed to be a movie. Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if I didn't know that this was adapted from a movie script. Perhaps sometimes, we see "backstage" a little too much and it spoils some of the fun.

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            • Originally posted by Matthews View Post
              Hornet, feel free to be worried. But what your bumping on might be the whole point of the book...

              GHS! is a near-future story featuring a new Hornet we've not seen before. It's not just as simple as his being the next Hornet in the line of Reids, though legacy does play into the story. It is, very frankly, supposed to be different...

              If you want the classic Hornet, Matt's giving that to you in spades. Kevin is doing a great contemporary Hornet. Mine is a little more modern by design. We wanted -- needed -- each book to be unique and have its own reason for existing, not just be slightly different versions of the same flavor. It's all The Green Hornet for sure, but different takes from different minds.

              Each may not be for everyone, but I'm very proud of the work that's coming in on all fronts and think they compliment each other very well. Look forward to hearing what you think.
              I like this idea, personally, although this is an awful lot of material based around one character in a short amount of time. I might have waited on this one, and the Kato stuff.

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              • Oh, I see where you're going...

                Originally posted by Captain Canuck View Post
                I thought the dialogue was poor, particularly in light of the fact that this was supposed to be a movie. Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if I didn't know that this was adapted from a movie script. Perhaps sometimes, we see "backstage" a little too much and it spoils some of the fun.
                Ahhh, I see. So comics are allowed poorer dialogue then?



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                • Originally posted by TwinPistols View Post
                  Ahhh, I see. So comics are allowed poorer dialogue then?



                  Forget movies, comics are best!!


                  -Pistols
                  Well, sort of. I think the audience expects more realism when actual people are speaking the lines than when lines are speaking lines.

                  I'm reminded of that story about Harrison Ford telling George Lucas that his dialogue was crap. Something along the lines that "George, you can write that crap, but you can't actually say that crap"*

                  *Cleaned up for the sake of keeping my account in good status.

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Canuck View Post
                    I thought the book was all right and I believe your point has to be emphasized. This isn't a continuation of an existing series, it's one person's take. No different to me than having a female Starbuck in Galactica. Someone introduced to the show with no knowledge of the past series wouldn't care about that.
                    That is a fair point. But when you take a classic character, it is also true that your primary audience (the ones most likely to buy the book) are going to be fans of the "old" version. To do a drastic new take on an established character is bound to ruffle feathers. It is particularly pointless in this case because Smith is going to be introducing a "new" Hornet. The new Hornet can have any personality Smith wants to give the new character (i.e., there are no preconceptions for the new character), so why did he feel he also needed to change the old character? Especially since it seems that the old TV Hornet was only going to be in action for half of the first issue? It seems to me that the only purpose that that serves is to alienate the old fans--whom you are relying on to buy the book. I am not sure that that is a sound business decision.

                    But I've been wrong about stuff like that before.

                    Originally posted by Captain Canuck View Post
                    I thought the dialogue was poor, particularly in light of the fact that this was supposed to be a movie. Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if I didn't know that this was adapted from a movie script. Perhaps sometimes, we see "backstage" a little too much and it spoils some of the fun.
                    Yes, well, this touches another point. Have you ever read the introduction that Frank Miller (yes, THAT Frank Miller) wrote for Volume 4 of The Spirit Archives? He relates a discussion he had with the late great Will Eisner. Miller had "essentially characterized comics as the poor man's film, thinking each panel the equivalent of a frozen frame of celluloid." Eisner (very politely) tore him a new one. "What counts, he told me, is panel content, the function of the individual panel to advance the story. Every panel must have story content, he insisted, despite my protests. If you want to make movies, go make movies."

                    The point is not whether comics or movies are "better," it is that they are different art forms and what works for one does not work for the other. Good comics are simply not "movies on paper."

                    It is not that issue #1 was so bad (it wasn't), but it could have been so much better if more time had been spent stripping away the more overt movie sensibilities and replacing them with comic book sensibilities. A perfect example is that bit I discussed earlier with Hobgoblyn concerning the foreplay. It is a movie scene. It needs live actors to give it the right feel. It doesn't really work from a comic book perspective. You can know what is going on, you can get the point, but it could have been handled so much better if it had been remembered that it was being written for a comic book rather than a movie.

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                    • Originally posted by Tulku View Post
                      ...so why did he feel he also needed to change the old character? Especially since it seems that the old TV Hornet was only going to be in action for half of the first issue? It seems to me that the only purpose that that serves is to alienate the old fans--whom you are relying on to buy the book. I am not sure that that is a sound business decision.
                      My guess is that it was an attempt to modernize the character a little bit and it bombed. Or at least walk that line between keeping the purists happy while making the character accessible to new fans.

                      I'll admit that even for a relative newcomer to the character, it seemed off to me as I was reading it. It didn't fit my perception of the Hornet.

                      Generally-speaking, I hate that kind of wisecracking dialogue in those situations anyway. It makes the situation look too easy for the characters so reduces suspense.

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                        • Originally posted by Tulku View Post
                          That is a fair point. But when you take a classic character, it is also true that your primary audience (the ones most likely to buy the book) are going to be fans of the "old" version. To do a drastic new take on an established character is bound to ruffle feathers. It is particularly pointless in this case because Smith is going to be introducing a "new" Hornet. The new Hornet can have any personality Smith wants to give the new character (i.e., there are no preconceptions for the new character), so why did he feel he also needed to change the old character? Especially since it seems that the old TV Hornet was only going to be in action for half of the first issue? It seems to me that the only purpose that that serves is to alienate the old fans--whom you are relying on to buy the book. I am not sure that that is a sound business decision.

                          But I've been wrong about stuff like that before.



                          Yes, well, this touches another point. Have you ever read the introduction that Frank Miller (yes, THAT Frank Miller) wrote for Volume 4 of The Spirit Archives? He relates a discussion he had with the late great Will Eisner. Miller had "essentially characterized comics as the poor man's film, thinking each panel the equivalent of a frozen frame of celluloid." Eisner (very politely) tore him a new one. "What counts, he told me, is panel content, the function of the individual panel to advance the story. Every panel must have story content, he insisted, despite my protests. If you want to make movies, go make movies."

                          The point is not whether comics or movies are "better," it is that they are different art forms and what works for one does not work for the other. Good comics are simply not "movies on paper."

                          It is not that issue #1 was so bad (it wasn't), but it could have been so much better if more time had been spent stripping away the more overt movie sensibilities and replacing them with comic book sensibilities. A perfect example is that bit I discussed earlier with Hobgoblyn concerning the foreplay. It is a movie scene. It needs live actors to give it the right feel. It doesn't really work from a comic book perspective. You can know what is going on, you can get the point, but it could have been handled so much better if it had been remembered that it was being written for a comic book rather than a movie.
                          I definitely agree with you on the characterization of the Old Green Hornet. He didn't seem quite in character at certain points. Though, the biggest thing I found a bit iffy was the exchange between Britt Sr. and Janet in the flashback. First, I've always felt that any woman that Britt would settle down with would be alot more supportive of his being the Green Hornet. Plus, the whole gun thing was a pretty senseless move on her part. Second, and this is just the fan of the classic Green Hornet in me talking; I always felt that Britt should end up with Lenore "Casey" Case. But I'll always have the Now Comic Series for that I guess.
                          Other than that, the series has just begun and I'm still optimistic about where it will be going, as you've said This is a new Green Hornet for a new era.

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                          • I, for one, am looking forward to this. It's always fun to see new and different versions of a favorite character of mine.

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                            • Kevin Smith's Green Hornet longevity

                              Originally posted by MadMikeyD View Post
                              Kevin Smith's Green Hornet is 10 issues. Not saying that Dynamite won't take the character and run with it beyond issue 10, but Smith's story is only 10 issues.
                              My understanding is that the series is starting out as two 10 issues story arcs, so that eludes that the series will be at least 20 issues. However I don't see Kevin Smith writing the series for several years, so its most likely won't be called 'Kevin Smith's Green Hornet' forever.

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                              • Originally posted by MadMikeyD View Post
                                Just how many Green Hornet series are there going to be? I thought there were three, but now there's two Kato titles thrown in, making it five.

                                Kevin Smith's Green Hornet
                                Green Hornet: Year One
                                Green Hornet Strikes
                                Kevin Smith's Kato
                                Kato Origins (Year One Kato)
                                I don't know exactly, but my proprietor mentioned that their is a title called 'Green Hornet Classic'. I am sure there will be many mini-series as they go! I have a feeling that 'Kevin Smith's Green Hornet' is going to be in a continuity of its own, and not intersected with the other titles.

                                I would like to propose a new Green Hornet title called 'Green Hornet Generations' based on the Now Comics' rendition.

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