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  • #16
    Interesting statistics. It looks like Los Angeles more than doubled its population between 1940 and 2016, NYC increased by about 1 million, and Chicago's population actually decreased by almost 700,000. Based on those statistics, I would think a city would need to have a population of at least a million people to qualify for the description of a major metropolitan city. At least those seem to be the type of fictional cities that are commonly portrayed in comics, although of course we never get such hard statistics.

    Washington D.C. (at one time the home base of Wonder Woman) is a notable exception, because of course it's the U.S. capitol, so plenty of important people and events that could affect the whole country could be taking place there, apart from the ordinary sort of crime.

    Population isn't the only factor, though. Maybe more relevant would be the crime statistics of various metropolitan cities. Other clues to what real-world cities a fictional city was modeled after could be garnered by looking at various geographic factors -- most fictional comics cities seem to have docks, indicating a seaport. Most seem to have skyscrapers. Then again, maybe all we need to look at was where did the creation of the fictional character and city take place? Will Eisner was located in New York, so maybe Central City is modeled after New York. Gotham is an old-timey name for New York City, so that seems obvious. Although Siegel & Shuster were based in Cleveland when they created Metropolis, it seems unlikely that Metropolis resembles Cleveland very much, and Major Malcolm-Wheeler Nicholson's comic book publishing company (that later became DC Comics) was based in New York, as were almost all comic book publishers. The Green Hornet's home city is never really identified in any of the original radio dramas written by Fran Striker, and originally aired out of Station WXYZ in Detroit. Detroit had a population of between 1.5 and 1.6 million in the 1930s, which later peaked at nearly 1.85 million in 1950 (when the original radio program was still on the air). Is the Green Hornet's real hometown Detroit, or at least its fictional doppleganger? Current statistics have the population of Detroit at less than 1 million.
    Last edited by positronic; 08-14-2017, 04:21 AM.
    DE pull list: Will Eisner's The Spirit: The Corpse Makers, ERB's The Greatest Adventure, Green Hornet '66 Meets The Spirit, PSP: Herokillers, KISS/Vampirella, Mighty Mouse

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    • #17
      Originally posted by positronic View Post
      Interesting statistics. It looks like Los Angeles more than doubled its population between 1940 and 2016, NYC increased by about 1 million, and Chicago's population actually decreased by almost 700,000. Based on those statistics, I would think a city would need to have a population of at least a million people to qualify for the description of a major metropolitan city. At least those seem to be the type of fictional cities that are commonly portrayed in comics, although of course we never get such hard statistics.

      Washington D.C. (at one time the home base of Wonder Woman) is a notable exception, because of course it's the U.S. capitol, so plenty of important people and events that could affect the whole country could be taking place there, apart from the ordinary sort of crime.

      Population isn't the only factor, though. Maybe more relevant would be the crime statistics of various metropolitan cities. Other clues to what real-world cities a fictional city was modeled after could be garnered by looking at various geographic factors -- most fictional comics cities seem to have docks, indicating a seaport. Most seem to have skyscrapers. Then again, maybe all we need to look at was where did the creation of the fictional character and city take place? Will Eisner was located in New York, so maybe Central City is modeled after New York. Gotham is an old-timey name for New York City, so that seems obvious. Although Siegel & Shuster were based in Cleveland when they created Metropolis, it seems unlikely that Metropolis resembles Cleveland very much, and Major Malcolm-Wheeler Nicholson's comic book publishing company (that later became DC Comics) was based in New York, as were almost all comic book publishers. The Green Hornet's home city is never really identified in any of the original radio dramas written by Fran Striker, and originally aired out of Station WXYZ in Detroit. Detroit had a population of between 1.5 and 1.6 million in the 1930s, which later peaked at nearly 1.85 million in 1950 (when the original radio program was still on the air). Is the Green Hornet's real hometown Detroit, or at least its fictional doppleganger? Current statistics have the population of Detroit at less than 1 million.
      Part of the population requirements also would depend on when a series takes place.
      As for population rises / declines over the decades, many factors are involved including the availability of blue-collar jobs. Much of the manufacturing that had been in the eastern and Midwest parts of the country went away as jobs moved south and west, reducing populations. And as transportation of goods improved, limits on where things had to be manufactured were not as much of a restriction.
      As for ports/harbors in a city, there are going to be quite a few of those also available off a large enough river or lake, not just an ocean. (Is Chicago a "seaport"?)
      One other thing to consider: sometimes, crime may thrive better in a slightly smaller city that isn't quite as much in the spotlight as a New York City or a Chicago. (Those locations may also have police departments that are easier to buy off.)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by MajorHoy View Post
        As for ports/harbors in a city, there are going to be quite a few of those also available off a large enough river or lake, not just an ocean. (Is Chicago a "seaport"?)
        You can get quite involved in the details. If you're looking at stories where something's happening down at the docks, most likely you're looking at some kind of smuggling. So then you have to ask what's being smuggled and from where, before you can determine whether the city is a seaport or merely a riverport. If what's being smuggled is coming from overseas, then where exactly? Depending on where, it might make more sense for any city but a seaport to smuggle goods overland by freight, rather than by a riverport. The logistics of noting various story details and compiling lots of notes about them can get complicated. You may run into different stories where things about the city seem to conflict with another story.
        DE pull list: Will Eisner's The Spirit: The Corpse Makers, ERB's The Greatest Adventure, Green Hornet '66 Meets The Spirit, PSP: Herokillers, KISS/Vampirella, Mighty Mouse

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        • #19
          Originally posted by positronic View Post
          . . . If you're looking at stories where something's happening down at the docks, most likely you're looking at some kind of smuggling. So then you have to ask what's being smuggled and from where, before you can determine whether the city is a seaport or merely a riverport. If what's being smuggled is coming from overseas, then where exactly? Depending on where, it might make more sense for any city but a seaport to smuggle goods overland by freight, rather than by a riverport . . .
          Again, Chicago is not a "seaport", but the Eerie Canal / Great Lakes improves its water-access to receive goods shipped by boats. And for places along the Mississippi River, many of those port locations are also accessible to large boats for shipping from overseas.
          (Though depending on what's being smuggled, goods may initially be transported by large ships and then transferred to smaller, faster, more maneuverable boats while still in international waters.)

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          • #20
            Couldn't we just say that some major metropolitan cities have docks, and some don't? It's just one detail.
            Last edited by pulphero; 08-14-2017, 11:18 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pulphero View Post
              Couldn't we just say that some major metropolitan cities have docks, and some don't? It's just one detail.
              Oh, I have no problem going that way.
              I just want to make sure it isn't limited to coastal ocean locations since there is plenty of opportunity for crime (including smuggling and boats) in the Midwest United States.

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              • #22
                The final issue of this series felt a little bit like a let-down. I think they tried to wind up too much too quickly.
                Also, was anybody else slightly bothered by what looked like an excess supply of empty coffins for the Spirit's use (like when he was giving Kato the blood transfusion)? Do cemeteries normally keep a large supply of empty coffins on hand, or wouldn't that be more likely at a funeral parlor?

                I hate to think those extra coffins weren't unused and had in fact been "slightly used" in the past!

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                • #23
                  It seems like people are writing for TPBs. They know how big a TPB they can expect and write to that rather than just writing.. Some stories get drawn out and others rush to fit the space.
                  Always remember, Murphy was an optimist
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                  • #24
                    Looks like the trade paperback collection for this is currently due out in mid-March (2018).

                    http://www.dynamite.com/htmlfiles/vi...RO=C1524105902

                    http://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/JAN181550

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