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  • #31
    I'm just happy to once again see Project Superpowers in the limelight, and while I do want it to succeed and move forward with mini's and ongoing books I am not going into this relaunch with any hopes other than a fun story. If it succeeds than great, if not than I guess it is what it is.
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    • #32
      I was a huge fan of the original Project Superpowers launch and followed everything from the core title to all of the satellite books and loved them all. So yeah, I'm excited for the relaunch and even though I was hoping for it to follow the existing story I can see why they want to start over under Ellis. It's probably best for business at this point. I'm just hoping it catches on and these awesome characters have a permanent home within the world of comics, they truly deserve it.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by BslytheGamerGuy View Post
        I was a huge fan of the original Project Superpowers launch and followed everything from the core title to all of the satellite books and loved them all. So yeah, I'm excited for the relaunch and even though I was hoping for it to follow the existing story I can see why they want to start over under Ellis. It's probably best for business at this point. I'm just hoping it catches on and these awesome characters have a permanent home within the world of comics, they truly deserve it.
        Amen, brother. All we can do is buy it and enjoy it, and hope for the best. The rest is up to the comics-buying-public-at-large.

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        • #34
          An interior artist with the ability to give our heroes weight and excitement.

          Originally posted by pulphero View Post
          Amen, brother. All we can do is buy it and enjoy it, and hope for the best. The rest is up to the comics-buying-public-at-large.
          I'll double that "Amen, brother".... buy it and hopefully enjoy it, and hope for the best.... that, in deed, the comics-buying-public-at-large buy and support our "Project: Superpowers."
          Again, (sorry) I want to stress that I hope an exciting artist that can give these Legendary Heroes the "weight" they deserve is named.

          The one thing that fails, for me, is D.E. interior art.
          Nick had all these wonderful, Golden Age characters, a wonderful cover artist(Ross) but the interior art wasn't something my eyes relished.

          I gave three examples (Goran Parlov,( "STARLIGHT"), Frank Quitely,( "JUPITER'S LEGACY"), and Yanick Paquette, ("TERRA OBSCUARA"), of artists who can give those Golden Age heroes the "heft" they deserve.
          I hope that the artist chosen can give them the look and the excitement our heroes need.
          Last edited by Magno; 04-28-2014, 08:03 PM.

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          • #35
            I'm alittle excited but hesitant at the same time. The first PS stuff was great but I know Ellis is known to be a bit dark. I haven't read much of his work except for the stuff he did with Stormwatch and The Authority. I was one of those big into Image at the time and tried to get as much stuff from them as I could. The Authority was was good if you like stuff like that. Guess it's an acquired taste and I probably should check more stuff out but I already am backed up on a number of DE stuff I picked up in the last few months alone. I really hope to see more Black Terror solo stuff as well. Perhaps a mini series?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Magno View Post
              I gave three examples (Goran Parlov,( "STARLIGHT"), Frank Quitely,( "JUPITER'S LEGACY"), and Yanick Paquette, ("TERRA OBSCUARA"), of artists who can give those Golden Age heroes the "heft" they deserve.
              And those are all great picks, Magno. In a perfect world, we can all make lists of our dream team combos of character/writer/artist. But realistically, I think, it's a money thing. DE doesn't have the same kind of big bucks to entice artists that Marvel or DC does, or the advertising budget to promote the hell out of a new title, so you will probably never see a Dynamite book with (Big Name Cover Artist + Big Name Writer + Big Name Artist) because that total is just too high to justify a realistic monetary return. Sure, it would sell better than a book with JUST a Big Name Writer, but unless the character(s) is/are also a household name (in the world of comic book fans, anyway), you aren't going to pry the Marvel and DC zombies away from their comfortable favorite books to get them to try something new. Put someone like Alan Moore and Bill Sienkiewicz together on an independent title called BIG NUMBERS, following up on Moore's huge success on WATCHMEN, and Sienkiewicz's ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN and sales are so poor it doesn't make it past the second issue.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by pulphero View Post
                And those are all great picks, Magno. In a perfect world, we can all make lists of our dream team combos of character/writer/artist. But realistically, I think, it's a money thing. DE doesn't have the same kind of big bucks to entice artists that Marvel or DC does, or the advertising budget to promote the hell out of a new title, so you will probably never see a Dynamite book with (Big Name Cover Artist + Big Name Writer + Big Name Artist) because that total is just too high to justify a realistic monetary return. Sure, it would sell better than a book with JUST a Big Name Writer, but unless the character(s) is/are also a household name (in the world of comic book fans, anyway), you aren't going to pry the Marvel and DC zombies away from their comfortable favorite books to get them to try something new. Put someone like Alan Moore and Bill Sienkiewicz together on an independent title called BIG NUMBERS, following up on Moore's huge success on WATCHMEN, and Sienkiewicz's ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN and sales are so poor it doesn't make it past the second issue.
                Yes, you're right, pulphero. I know it's not a perfect world where I can make the dream team combos that I would like.
                (I can't even get Alan Moore on the phone and get HIM to write Project: Superpowers. Or even contact Quitely or Parlov to do the art. Darn it. ) ((And for some reason, I can not seem to win the lottery to pour money into DE to get the teams I dream of. ---And the world's the poorer for it.))
                But...I do love the Golden Age and its heroes and sooooo wanted P.SP. to be a "success."

                Many PSP fans think the story and art was fine. (Or good. Or Great.) But I did not. And I WANTED it to be good.

                For me, it wasn't good. The story came up short, the characters were there but indistinguishable, and the art was a "wash" of dirty color far and away from the 4-color, "clean" look of the '40's books.

                I want to be able to read a book and then be able to go back and truly enjoy the art again and again with my eyes.
                (Example: Marvel Masterworks: CAPTAIN AMERICA #3, where reading and re-reading is a joy and not a "turn-off".)

                With PSP, I could always page through the covers and let that feed my imagination but to delve into the books would make me just give up on a second re-reading.

                To me, a great comic is one you CAN go back and enjoy again and again. If the interior art is a turn-off, the book fails. (Again, for me.) I know we all have different art "tastes" but if they want to sell me a book, the art HAS TO BE pleasing to my eyes. Comic books are a visual medium as much or more than a "written" medium.
                I just can't cut through the bad art.

                I just went digging through my collection but couldn't find any PSP to give for examples (and I did buy every one)
                but I remember art that wasn't very pleasing and colors that "washed" together to give a very poor aesthetics to the overall visual art.

                I kept buying because I hoped the story and art would get better. For me, it did not. And no one....NO one was more unhappy about the series than I.

                Here's one nitpick: "Daredevil" was not even Daredevil. He had left the suit years earlier. The art on "Daredevil" seemed empty...vacate...as though some extreme existential vacuum had invaded the strip. Backgrounds of vacancy. (Though the cover art by Ross still is in my head. That cover with The Ghost and his plane was really great. As were so many of Alex Ross' covers.)
                Characters= A
                Covers = A
                Story =D-
                Art =D
                Concept for returning the Golden Age Heroes =A

                For those who liked it, I'm happy for you. I'm just pleading for a better go-round this time.

                The 1940's heroes had not yet really engaged in the existential emptiness of Europe. The 1940's Golden Age heroes were untainted by existential relativism. They pursued truth, justice, and heroism. Concepts that are impossible in a relativistic world with no ultimate Good or Evil. In short, a world without God... and were not "formed" by the likes of Sartre, and Nietzche.
                Can Ellis write it??

                If it's the "money thing", how else is DE going to start to pull Marvel and DC zombies from their books than to have well-known writers and artists on the DE books.

                I thought with the best writers and artists, DE WOULD start to pull those zombies over to the DE books.
                You have a great stable of heroes, a Wonderful cover artist, ....and PSP was the EXACT pivot point on which DE could have captured those zombies and not have let them go.

                Now, that moment in time is lost. Forever. Gone. But for one brief moment it was there.
                Last edited by Magno; 05-04-2014, 07:07 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Magno View Post
                  If it's the "money thing", how else is DE going to start to pull Marvel and DC zombies from their books than to have well-known writers and artists on the DE books.

                  I thought with the best writers and artists, DE WOULD start to pull those zombies over to the DE books.
                  You have a great stable of heroes, a Wonderful cover artist, ....and PSP was the EXACT pivot point on which DE could have captured those zombies and not have let them go.

                  Now, that moment in time is lost. Forever. Gone. But for one brief moment it was there.
                  It wasn't that long ago that Frank Quitely, Goran Parlov and Yanick Paquette were names that almost nobody recognized, but they were still very good. If there is hope to be had, it's in DE making new artistic discoveries. It's a two-edged sword though. Yanick Paquette was fairly unknown at the time he did TERRA OBSCURA, and he was still very good at that time, but he didn't wind up making that book a best-seller so that it became an ongoing title. People (especially people in the comic book industry) began to take note of his name, however. Later on, he began getting offers for more high-profile assignments (and presumably more money per page). So TERRA OBSCURA was better for Yanick Paquette, than Yanick Paquette was for TERRA OBSCURA. People like Frank Quitely and Goran Parlov followed similar career trajectories.

                  Dynamite's best hope is to agressively pursue portfolio reviews of talented newcomers, in hopes of discovering the Frank Quitelys, Goran Parlovs, and Yanick Paquettes of the future and being able to afford their talents before Marvel and DC (and Dark Horse and Image) inevitably lure them away by waving more money under their noses.

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                  • #39
                    How about some more up-dates on PSP.!!?

                    Yeah, true enough.
                    But I would hope some of the DC or Marvel guys might float away and sign up at DE. I'm thinking of guys like Tom Grummett (who has just resurfaced to do an issue of Captain America) ....or someone like him who is "between" jobs and may want to do a title like PSP.
                    It's unfortunate we can't get somebody like Quitely, Parlov, or Paquette. But the reality of the paycheck is there and one can hardly blame an artist for trying to make a living.
                    I know it isn't always easy facing that blank page every morning.


                    I haven't read very much of Warren Ellis' work, but I think we should all be encouraged that "he" chose to re-boot PSP.

                    Things have been kinda quiet so far.
                    How about some kind of up-date from Dynamite??

                    Can you tell us who's in the first issue.??
                    Is Alex Ross going to be doing covers??

                    Is there an artist that's been chosen??

                    Any idea how far away the first issue is ??

                    Anything??
                    Feed us. We've waited soooo long.

                    And, yeah, we want to see these Golden Age heroes back in action ....in the most exciting, well-written adventure Warren can create.
                    Last edited by Magno; 05-23-2014, 12:57 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Magno View Post
                      Yeah, true enough.
                      But I would hope some of the DC or Marvel guys might float away and sign up at DE. I'm thinking of guys like Tom Grummett (who has just resurfaced to do an issue of Captain America) ....or someone like him who is "between" jobs and may want to do a title like PSP.
                      It's unfortunate we can't get somebody like Quitely, Parlov, or Paquette. But the reality of the paycheck is there and one can hardly blame an artist for trying to make a living.
                      I know it isn't always easy facing that blank page every morning.


                      I haven't read very much of Warren Ellis' work, but I think we should all be encouraged that "he" chose to re-boot PSP.

                      Things have been kinda quiet so far.
                      How about some kind of up-date from Dynamite??

                      Can you tell us who's in the first issue.??
                      Is Alex Ross going to be doing covers??

                      Is there an artist that's been chosen??

                      Any idea how far away the first issue is ??

                      Anything??
                      Feed us. We've waited soooo long.

                      And, yeah, we want to see these Golden Age heroes back in action ....in the most exciting, well-written adventure Warren can create.
                      What did I do??

                      Kill the thread.??? Geeesh. Have we heard any new news.!!??

                      [Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/Mx9IKxG.jpg)
                      Will we see THOSE characters .... in action again.?? Or will they surface in a "hollow Legacy" with heroes that have NO resemblance to the Wonderful Golden Age Heroes??
                      Last edited by Magno; 07-11-2014, 08:37 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Magno View Post
                        What did I do??

                        Kill the thread.??? Geeesh. Have we heard any new news.!!??

                        [Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/Mx9IKxG.jpg)
                        Will we see THOSE characters .... in action again.?? Or will they surface in a "hollow Legacy" with heroes that have NO resemblance to the Wonderful Golden Age Heroes??
                        I've done that to a couple of threads. It's not a fun thing to have on your conscience.
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                        • #42
                          Put it down to a lack of news or information about how, why, and exactly when the Project Superpowers line will return.

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                          • #43
                            Feed us a little information once in a while, will ya??

                            Originally posted by leonmallett View Post
                            Put it down to a lack of news or information about how, why, and exactly when the Project Superpowers line will return.
                            Thanks. I'll sleep better tonight because of you. But, yeah, we have heard very little about Ellis' project.
                            Maybe it's Project: Secret Superpowers.!!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Magno View Post
                              Thanks. I'll sleep better tonight because of you. But, yeah, we have heard very little about Ellis' project.
                              Maybe it's Project: Secret Superpowers.!!
                              I am re-reading newuniversal right now and expecting that Eliis won't do more than 6-12 issues, and that his work will serve as the spine for what follows. Consequently I hope that DE already have the following in place:

                              - Have a short, medium and long-term plan and goals; simply scrabbling around for the next mini-series idea after a break of months or even years does not qualify.
                              - Creative teams to pick up the baton as soon as Ellis moves on.
                              - A publishing plan to get to multiple concurrent titles in a structured build up.
                              - Enough lead-in time so that the PS line is not once again beset with delays; killing momentum has to kill interest in some, surely.

                              Whether I feel DE can do those things is another matter, but if they are investing in Ellis, who probably commands better than average page rates, then I hope DE have the vision to build on that investment and look further out to address the obstacles they themselves have historically and consistently placed in the way of their own publishing plans.

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                              • #45
                                All of these things, of course, being contingent on readers embracing Ellis' re-take on the concept, for whatever the length of his run, in the first place. Commercially speaking, it seems to be very difficult to break the Svengali-like hold that Marvel and DC have over most readers of the superhero genre, and very few success stories from other publishers which you can point to as examples of how to do it right and make it marketable. And that seems to be more true today than at almost any other time in the past.

                                The last publishers to really do so were Image and Valiant in the early '90s, and that success turned out to be short-lived, after the speculator bubble burst. Outside of those, in recent years the only things that comes to mind are Mark Millar's "Millarworld" titles, and those had the advantage of big-name artists and being launched by Image (Wanted, Jupiter's Legacy, MPH) and Marvel's creator-owned ICON imprint (Nemesis, Superior, Kick Ass, Supercrooks). As far as company-owned superheroes go, the new Valiant and Dark Horse's Heroes line have been marginally successful for a couple of years, so I guess by Dynamite's standards that would be the level of success they could hope for. In Dark Horse's case, less successful titles can be leveraged against the more popular high-profile licensed franchise titles like Star Wars, Buffy and so on. It remains to be seen whether any of their superheroes can endure beyond a few years.

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