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  • pulphero
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    Originally posted by Captain Canuck View Post
    I'm not sure about retro. I want something similar to what was published circa 2009.
    2009 is retro. It's almost a decade ago. You can't sell some of the kinds of comics that sold in 2009 today, never mind the kind of comics that didn't even sell all that well in 2009 (like PSP). You could rifle through all the titles and characters DC and Marvel published a decade ago, and come up with a sizable list of them that you won't be seeing again, that the comics consumers of today have no desire (by and large) to see again.

    No one should buy any comic book they don't like, but that's part of the problem. Be clear that not buying what you don't like isn't going to lead to what you do like being published. The basic problem is that there just aren't enough buyers out there supporting comic books featuring Golden Age comics characters (and of course I'm talking about those characters whose publishing history didn't continue for decades), and even fewer supporting comic books featuring Golden Age characters that aren't DC or Marvel characters. They aren't buying them because they just don't care about some old characters from the 1940s, and nothing's going to convince them otherwise. Comic books like that are already basically retro by definition, regardless of the storytelling style.

    It was possible to revive characters 20 years old in the 1960s, or 30 or 40 years old in the 1970s, but it's getting harder all the time, and the age of the revived character is trending downwards. It was possible to revive the JSA circa the beginning of the new millennium, but only because DC readers had long memories and greater loyalty, and the JSA had been around at least as recently as the 1980s (about 15 years earlier) -- but a lot has changed in the comic book marketplace since then.

    Maybe making fun of those retro characters is all that's left for them... or if not, then there may be nothing left for them. Even if it were possible to get the hottest creators on the planet working on PSP, it might not make a difference. That book would automatically be consigned to being one of the worst-selling things they'd ever work on, just because of the characters, just because it's published by Dynamite.
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    Originally posted by positronic View Post
    What I seem to be hearing is that people commenting here want a re-iteration of PSP to move in a serious retro direction, but honestly, when I look at what's out there (and what is able to survive) in today's comic book marketplace, it just doesn't feel like a realistic possibility.
    I'm not sure about retro. I want something similar to what was published circa 2009.

    I understand the argument that NOT supporting this is no help towards having the Superpowers universe revived. However I'm not sure what message supporting it would send? That I want more of the goofy, comedic versions of these characters? Because the truth is I don't. And I'm not going to buy a product that doesn't appeal to me in the least to send a message that is not the one I want sent.

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  • positronic
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    I guess at this point it feels like you can either accept it or reject it on principle or as a matter of taste; it's your choice. But regardless, doing so doesn't seem to practically affect anyone here getting one iota closer to any sort of continuation of the original PSP story, or moving it in the direction of styles of comics that ceased to be popular some decades ago now.

    What I seem to be hearing is that people commenting here want a re-iteration of PSP to move in a serious retro direction, but honestly, when I look at what's out there (and what is able to survive) in today's comic book marketplace, it just doesn't feel like a realistic possibility. Maybe if you're publishing comics on the level of say, AC Comics, but that's moving down the scale for DE. The world sometimes just refuses to conform to our wants and desires. It is what it is, because the economics of publishing print comic books is mandated by the rule of numbers... and that means that other people's dislikes and likes affect the products that are (or are not) made available for you and me to buy, limiting our choices. Marvel and DC had largely moved on beyond the styles of comics storytelling & art (and characters) that many of us older readers liked many years ago, and now that's rolling downhill to the smaller publishers as well.

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    Originally posted by positronic View Post
    I liked it for what it was, not for what it wasn't. Call it a parallel universe if you want to, doesn't matter. The other PSP universe isn't going anywhere one way or another.
    You are right, Positronic... but why?? Why are you right??

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  • positronic
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    I liked it for what it was, not for what it wasn't. Call it a parallel universe if you want to, doesn't matter. The other PSP universe isn't going anywhere one way or another.

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    Originally posted by Ghornet2 View Post
    I really enjoyed the original 2 Superpowers series and the other connected Mini's. But now I've all but given up on it. This new series has nothing to do with the original, it just happens to be the same group of heroes. In one of the pages we've seen Daredevil talks.
    Yeah, just reading the writer's commentary and it doesn't seem like they'll be too detail-oriented in that sense. Since it *really* doesn't have much to do with those characters specifically anyway, or even what Dynamite has done with them so far, they may as dress Daredevil in orange and green stripes, for all that it matters.

    It does sound as though the art is quirky good. But "drunk Black Terror"? Pass...

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  • pulphero
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    Originally posted by Ghornet2 View Post
    In one of the pages we've seen Daredevil talks.
    Just because he doesn't have anything to say most of the time, doesn't mean he can't talk.
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    With a wait ... and a hope....

    Well, ... HEROKILLERS has arrived. Yeah, Daredevil talks... and I'll try to find the bright spots .... for me.
    One of the bright spots ... was that I could see so many of the Project SP heroes again.
    I loved seeing them again ... even though they were depicted so 'tongue-in-cheekly' ...

    Really glad to see them on a comic book page.

    Ok. That's all I've got. It was great to see so many of them again. The Original Daredevil, The Face, Skyman, Black Terror and Tim, Green Lama, (I think I saw) Magno (one of my favorites), The Liberator, Pyroman, Woman in Red, Masquerade, Thirteen, Green Mask, Vulcan, Captain Courageous, Catman and Kitten, The Super-American, Marvelo, Amazing Man, Blue Beetle and Sparky, The Eagle, Captain Battle and Captain Battle, Jr., Brad Spencer- Wonderman, ..was it U.S. Jones... and The Owl ... and a few others made me smile again.

    And just hope again ... that the Project SP heroes return ....

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  • Ghornet2
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    I really enjoyed the original 2 Superpowers series and the other connected Mini's. But now I've all but given up on it. This new series has nothing to do with the original, it just happens to be the same group of heroes. In one of the pages we've seen Daredevil talks.

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    Preview from First Comics News.

    http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/proje...ero-killers-1/

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    #3 solicitation.

    PROJECT SUPERPOWERS: HERO KILLERS #3
    Cover A: Pete Woods Cover B: Ryan Browne Writer: Ryan Browne Art: Pete Woods

    IF YOU DONíT WANT ANY TROUBLE, DONíT GIVE SOMEONE THE KEY TO THE CITY AND THEN TAKE IT AWAY! ITíS AS SIMPLE AS THAT! WHY IS THAT SO HARD?! IíM SORRY IíM YELLING, I JUST FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS! (takes a deep breath) Okay, so Tim and crew are in even more trouble than they realize as their star is on the riseÖand fallÖand rise again? And it seems that maybe you just canít deathray your way out of your problemsÖ
    bleedingcool has early looks at the Dynamite July solicitations, separated in categories as usual. This one is in the "heroes and fighters" category.

    https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04...ing-july-2017/

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  • pulphero
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    Originally posted by Captain Canuck View Post
    Yeah, maybe. Again I can't know for certain at this point. My perception, perhaps incorrect, is that the superhero game is too crowded for a sidekick to ever make it into the "big leagues", so they start killing some off to make room. Hence the name Hero Killers and the references to how it's dark humour. Comedy around murdering your mentors seems to fit the descriptions of "dark".

    Going back to the solicitation text for a sec: "Welcome to Libertyville, USA... home to too damn many superheroes!"

    Also, the part I copied earlier. " "set in a town where everyoneís a superhero and the old guard arenít retiring to make way for the next generation, so the up-and-coming heroes decide to do something about it."

    To me it sounds like they're playing off the running gag that if DC and Marvel superheroes were real, you couldn't walk around New York without running into one every other block. And if the sidekicks want to reach the next level, they need to think the competition, so to speak.
    On the other hand, being a superhero and being a popular and well-known superhero might well be two different things. Who cares about some Black Terror cosplayer kid running around named Tim? Pfft. Wannabe. Poser. Knockoff. Copycat. Hanger-on. So maybe the only way to get to be a popular and well-known superhero is to replace that well-known hero -- nobody's going to care about Tim as long as Black Terror's around, so if Tim wants to graduate to the big leagues, the only way it will happen is for him to become Black Terror. And since he can't do that while the original Black Terror is still around...

    It's like if your goal is to own a well-known and popular pizza restaurant, there are two ways to do it. One is to make better pizzas than some other guy, slowly working your way up the ranks until you're big league. And the other is just to buy a Domino's or Pizza Hut franchise.
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    Originally posted by pulphero View Post
    If the humor isn't coming from the sidekick concept, then where? Maybe it's something as basic as the idea that being a Golden Age kid sidekick isn't really preparing a kid for an adult superhero career? Like they bought into some bedazzled hero-worshipping fantasy, and now they've reached the age where the reality of the job hits home? Like they thought they were superheroes-in-training but they were really just glorified assistants and accesories for the adult hero, because that was the vogue back then?
    Yeah, maybe. Again I can't know for certain at this point. My perception, perhaps incorrect, is that the superhero game is too crowded for a sidekick to ever make it into the "big leagues", so they start killing some off to make room. Hence the name Hero Killers and the references to how it's dark humour. Comedy around murdering your mentors seems to fit the descriptions of "dark".

    Going back to the solicitation text for a sec: "Welcome to Libertyville, USA... home to too damn many superheroes!"

    Also, the part I copied earlier. " "set in a town where everyoneís a superhero and the old guard arenít retiring to make way for the next generation, so the up-and-coming heroes decide to do something about it."

    To me it sounds like they're playing off the running gag that if DC and Marvel superheroes were real, you couldn't walk around New York without running into one every other block. And if the sidekicks want to reach the next level, they need to think the competition, so to speak.
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  • pulphero
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    Originally posted by Captain Canuck View Post
    Yeah, fair enough. I could see the ridiculousness of the sidekick concept being the butt of humour. I don't get the sense that's quite what Dynamite is doing here though but without having seen the material yet I can't say that with any certainty. but I would sooner buy what you propose than a story about young heroes killing the older ones for a seat at the table.

    I still don't plan on getting it but I'm open to being told that it's better than expected so if any of you do, share your opinions, please.
    If the humor isn't coming from the sidekick concept, then where? Maybe it's something as basic as the idea that being a Golden Age kid sidekick isn't really preparing a kid for an adult superhero career? Like they bought into some bedazzled hero-worshipping fantasy, and now they've reached the age where the reality of the job hits home? Like they thought they were superheroes-in-training but they were really just glorified assistants and accessories for the adult hero, because that was the vogue back then?
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    Originally posted by pulphero View Post
    But isn't the whole sidekick thing one of the key identifying Golden Age superhero tropes? I admit it works as well for the Silver Age. But that limits it to comics published in two separate periods lasting more or less about a decade each, both of them "a long long time ago in a comicbook far far away". In either decade the trope is representative of a more naive and simple time which is often held up as the object of ridicule.
    Yeah, fair enough. I could see the ridiculousness of the sidekick concept being the butt of humour. I don't get the sense that's quite what Dynamite is doing here though but without having seen the material yet I can't say that with any certainty. but I would sooner buy what you propose than a story about young heroes killing the older ones for a seat at the table.

    I still don't plan on getting it but I'm open to being told that it's better than expected so if any of you do, share your opinions, please.
    Last edited by Captain Canuck; 04-12-2017, 04:43 PM.

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