Only with the Right team can we succeed....!!
Well, then... if not 'nostalgia' ... write them to satisfy today's audience. Maybe they won't notice. LOL!!
Originally posted by pulphero
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Yet barely anyone seems to be able to accomplish it. Both Black Hammer and Lobster Johnson are creator-owned titles, and they are rarer than hen's teeth in being superhero titles (of a sort, I guess) that are making it in this marketplace -- but maybe it's only worth the effort those creative teams put into them because it IS a creator-owned title. And maybe if you are Robert Kirkman or Mike Mignola or someone on that level of popularity, you can draw an audience for a non-Marvel/non-DC superhero title. Maybe DE should have asked Jeff Lemire, before he created his own book!!
"Rarer than hen's teeth"... indeed.!! ...And maybe they succeed because they ARE creator-owned titles. But someone on that Level of popularity was what I had argued for in the past ... and I thought you guys shot down the idea. (I think I argued for people like Alan Moore as writer and Quietly as artist... not that that would ever happen.)
Alex Ross once said he would like to work with Moore someday. Alex has done some GREAT covers for Dynamite.... and if somebody had ... whatever it takes... to speak with Moore about possibly working with Ross .... [ All I'm saying is that with the right approach -- somebody COULD bring a good writer and a good artist together to bring back these heroes. Maybe not Alan Moore (who said he still wants to do one more comic series) ... and maybe not Alex Ross ... but these Golden Age Heroes still have some 'juice' ... and with the RIGHT writer and the RIGHT artist ... it could work.
Terra Obscura was a pretty good series with the NEDOR HEROES... that 'worked'. And Yanick Paquette wasn't really a 'household name' then.
(Although I don't know the numbers.)
Again, ... all I'm saying is that IF handled right, ... and with the RIGHT creative team... these Golden Age Heroes could be successful again.
Lemire could have used ANY of these Golden Age hero groups and his title, BLACK HAMMER, would have been just as successful. (For my money, even more so.)
...and maybe DE 'SHOULD' have asked Jeff Lemire to write a series before "he created his own book."
So, why wasn't that done.??
DE has the characters ... they HAD one of THEE best(if not the best) cover artists ... Alex Ross for the series... but didn't get a writer .... and didn't get an artist to make it work.
Two out of four doesn't cut it.
You NEED that writer that can get today's audience engaged.
You NEED that artist that can draw some great pictures to capture today's audience visually.
DE can't ... or they don't 'get it'.
I'm sorry ... but the writing for PSP was like a 'first draft' .... and a good editor could have, should have, fixed it.
Don't forget that Dark Horse tried launching a line of company-owned superhero characters not once, but twice... and ultimately failed both times. More recently, Archie Comics tried it with their 'Dark Circle' line... also not making it.
Yes, Dark Horse did launch a line of company-owned superhero characters ... twice... but the way they did it .... well, to me, .... looked like they were bound to fail ... both times.
They should have had a different 'roll-out' !! The heroes were pretty bland.!! IT all looked messy... too messy ... to get involved in.
Image's Invincible, Spawn, Witchblade, and Savage Dragon continue to eke along, but they are not big sellers. Meanwhile, Rob Liefeld can't seem to get a relaunch of Youngblood to actually gain an audience. (I've lost count of which number relaunch/reboot he's on now.) AND these are books by the original Image founders that were million+ sellers a mere 25 ago!! As for Valiant Comics... are those even superhero titles? It's hard for me to recognize them as such.
Yeah, I don't get it, either.!!
I hoped Larsen would, instead of Savage Dragon, do some of the Golden Age heroes ...as an on-going ... which I would have bought. He has a fun style ... but I'm not a Savage Dragon fan.
The others I just don't get!!
Either way... there's still a little nostalgia for the comics of 25 years ago, not so much for the comics of 75 years ago.
"Rarer than hen's teeth"... indeed.!! ...And maybe they succeed because they ARE creator-owned titles. But someone on that Level of popularity was what I had argued for in the past ... and I thought you guys shot down the idea. (I think I argued for people like Alan Moore as writer and Quietly as artist... not that that would ever happen.)
Alex Ross once said he would like to work with Moore someday. Alex has done some GREAT covers for Dynamite.... and if somebody had ... whatever it takes... to speak with Moore about possibly working with Ross .... [ All I'm saying is that with the right approach -- somebody COULD bring a good writer and a good artist together to bring back these heroes. Maybe not Alan Moore (who said he still wants to do one more comic series) ... and maybe not Alex Ross ... but these Golden Age Heroes still have some 'juice' ... and with the RIGHT writer and the RIGHT artist ... it could work.
Terra Obscura was a pretty good series with the NEDOR HEROES... that 'worked'. And Yanick Paquette wasn't really a 'household name' then.
(Although I don't know the numbers.)
Again, ... all I'm saying is that IF handled right, ... and with the RIGHT creative team... these Golden Age Heroes could be successful again.
Lemire could have used ANY of these Golden Age hero groups and his title, BLACK HAMMER, would have been just as successful. (For my money, even more so.)
...and maybe DE 'SHOULD' have asked Jeff Lemire to write a series before "he created his own book."
So, why wasn't that done.??
DE has the characters ... they HAD one of THEE best(if not the best) cover artists ... Alex Ross for the series... but didn't get a writer .... and didn't get an artist to make it work.
Two out of four doesn't cut it.
You NEED that writer that can get today's audience engaged.
You NEED that artist that can draw some great pictures to capture today's audience visually.
DE can't ... or they don't 'get it'.
I'm sorry ... but the writing for PSP was like a 'first draft' .... and a good editor could have, should have, fixed it.
Don't forget that Dark Horse tried launching a line of company-owned superhero characters not once, but twice... and ultimately failed both times. More recently, Archie Comics tried it with their 'Dark Circle' line... also not making it.
Yes, Dark Horse did launch a line of company-owned superhero characters ... twice... but the way they did it .... well, to me, .... looked like they were bound to fail ... both times.
They should have had a different 'roll-out' !! The heroes were pretty bland.!! IT all looked messy... too messy ... to get involved in.
Image's Invincible, Spawn, Witchblade, and Savage Dragon continue to eke along, but they are not big sellers. Meanwhile, Rob Liefeld can't seem to get a relaunch of Youngblood to actually gain an audience. (I've lost count of which number relaunch/reboot he's on now.) AND these are books by the original Image founders that were million+ sellers a mere 25 ago!! As for Valiant Comics... are those even superhero titles? It's hard for me to recognize them as such.
Yeah, I don't get it, either.!!
I hoped Larsen would, instead of Savage Dragon, do some of the Golden Age heroes ...as an on-going ... which I would have bought. He has a fun style ... but I'm not a Savage Dragon fan.
The others I just don't get!!
Either way... there's still a little nostalgia for the comics of 25 years ago, not so much for the comics of 75 years ago.
Well, then... if not 'nostalgia' ... write them to satisfy today's audience. Maybe they won't notice. LOL!!
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